Wasnt gannon playing? That sounds like a perfect scenario for him to unleash a massive haymaker - albeit on his own player coach, but still, the sentiment remains

Gannon was playing and he was trying to lure someone into a set to. That was after he was dumped on his head though.

He was our best player tonight. Pity a few more didn't show the same spirit.

Tonight widnes were extremely poor completly lacking ideas especially around the oppositions 20 mtr mark.Webster was non existance and mark smith did his fair share of tacking as normal but with ball in hand was very poor mainly due to the lack of support players .Young Ostic tried hard but in all honestly the pack looks very light and they need some aggression going forward .Whitehaven will be a another test for them forwards and if they dont improve they will get turned over again.Widnes with the players they have are more than capable of winning but they need to play with more aggression and team spirit.

That wouldn't have been often enough to come to any sort of conclusion.

we did not even get a bonus point at home, which shows how badly we played and we all knew this was going to happen if you think about recent results and the way we have played. there needs to be big changes in the playing personnel.

i am not sure about cullen we seem to have gone worse and in our coaching staff there are no coaches who used to be backs when they played, saying that look how many ex forwards are on the coaching staff and we still have problems in the forwards.

how come shane grady did not play, he usually gives 100%

bannister has to start next week instead of doran.

this is me on 70 mins

I'd disagree there , it is one of the most if not the most important part of sports coaching

A good coach will get the best out of the players at his disposal at whatever level they are

A bad coach will moan he doesn't have players good enough to be coached

But how can you instil any of that in a bunch of egotistical players who make it clear they don't want to be at the club? Any player pulling on a professional rugby league shirt should not need motivation, pride or team spirit coaching into them. We had it in abundance last year when we were up against that 9 point deficit.

I'd disagree there , it is one of the most if not the most important part of sports coaching

A good coach will get the best out of the players at his disposal at whatever level they are

A bad coach will moan he doesn't have players good enough to be coached

Cullen hasn't moaned about the players. But we all know our pack is one of the poorest in the Championship. As such, we stand little chance of being anything other than a mid-table team whoever is coach.

No, you were right.

Cullen said our players weren't honest enough last night. I think that says a lot about what's going on with some of them.

But Cullen says lots of things that nobody understands anyway so is he double bluffing , or triple bluffing or just talking the usual bollox

I remember Daryl Powell being shuffled upstairs at Leeds. There was only one way he was going after that - out the door. Kelly will face the same fate.

Martin Hall also shuffled upstairs at Fax but he has bucked the trend.
The longest surviving "shuffler" is Steve Simms.