You can read and drink at the same time

I didn't know you were a ' bird '

Maybe PC has made a few excuses regarding the team not training together !!
Didnt he say after the Toulouse game that the previous coaching staff Steve Mac and JS deserve enormous credit for the work done before he arrived. The team, as i understood it, did train regularly. The new excuse of players not training is bull. Maybe TOC is also responsible for the problems. Who knows ??

I agree with what you are saying Ray. What gets me, is the fact that the excuses are coming from all angles about why the players aren't performing. Nothing was mentioned whatsoever early on in PC Widnes coaching life, but now the pressure has started to build and his record is getting worse, everything is a BIG problem.

Too may bluffers!

I dont pretend to know the true facts, however I do know a few players at the club and some of the backroom staff. The players arn't all full time but they did train under the previous staff. The pre season was excellent, good performances against St.Helens (reserves I know), and 40 put on Whitehaven. JS had a great result against Toulouse. What has changed since then.
Pie face you are spot on. Too many bluffers!
Im not saying things where all well at the club before PC came in however it has gone 20 times worse. The players in the squad are good enough to be at the top of the league, they cant stand Cullen and have lost respect for TOC. It may have been a case of "be careful what you wish for" !!

I like it Ray, at last somebody who is on my wavelength.

I happen to know Ste Mc pretty well, and he is a great coach. One thing that I can definately say about him is that the players respected him and wanted to play for him.

Always reminds me on David Brent from the office.

Even if this is true then I wouldn't mind.How far did we get when the player's were under Mr niceguy.

A better win percentage
A better points for and against
Achieving finals
A nicer bloke
A better, more respected coach

Do you want more?

What about;

We never heard MR NICEGUY come out with half the excuses in his 3+ years at the club as we have done from PC in the last few weeks.
Things must have been really bad for us to achieve the finals we have in the past few years.

Yes, we lost the league finals in one off games, but at least we got there. It doesn't even look like we'll achieve the play offs in current form.

Oh, al,ost forgot. Mr Niceguy also won our last trophy.

We made the final twice and won more games than we lost. Neither is looking very likely at the moment?

I know for a fact that not all of the first team trained together.

I know this as i went to the club to get info about becoming a agent for the Dream Ticket and the team were there getting ready to go for training and there was only 15 players there.

Does anyone else think that the posts by pieface, ray and macs fan all seem to be very similar in the way that they are written?

Very similar. Whats your theory then? I've said in previous posts exactly who I am. Take a look back at my previous posts.

I've got nothing to hide and will happily voice my opinion.

Thanks

Makes you wonder why he was sacked in the first place.Maybe things have to get worse before getting any better.We tolerated that wretched loser for 4 years and are still paying the price after his departure.