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Quote: GSF "Not sure where you heard that mate but you won't find too many Widnes fans holding their breath.'"


Yes you have been shat upon more than most in the past and it could happen again

But whether you lot believe it or not , you are the next best bet for SL

But the point I was making was that to prosper individually all clubs need to work collectively

Until that happens nobody is big enough to make massive strides and if one club could , the rest would suffer , and as we are not SL then hopefully we do actually give a stuff about each others clubs

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Notwithstanding the fact that it was baltic for the best part of the week. My little thripny bits were throbbing.

Quote: Starbug "I understand that Widnes are the favourites to get the 2012 SL spot up for grabs....'"


Being labelled favourites means nothing. The first box to be ticked is a grand final appearance this season and make sure that we follow it up again next season. I for one will show my in B&M's if we get a spot in 2012.

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Quote: Vic King " I for one will show my booty in B&M's if we get a spot in 2012.'"


I'm going to remember this.

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Quote: Alex J "I'm going to remember this.'"


Is there a B&M's in Widnes?

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Quote: In our Widnes slums "Is there a B&M's in Widnes?'"


Where Woolies was

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Quote: Starbug "
I understand that Widnes are the favourites to get the 2012 SL spot up for grabs '"


Mmmmm perhaps I was a bit hasty icon_wink.gif

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Quote: moz88 "Is there a B&M's in Widnes?'"


Yes mozz were the old woolys was... icon_biggrin.gif

Some bargins there...

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Quote: Skrewdriver "Yes mozz were the old woolys was...
ha we used to have a field day in St Helens B&M's every thursday after finishing college at 1pm, cheap as chips. icon_cool.gif

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you used to have only 8,800 in 88/89! when you were the best. so to get 3,000 in national league 1 is ok icon_lol.gif

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Quote: MR FRISK "you used to have only 8,800 in 88/89! when you were the best. so to get 3,000 in national league 1 is ok
In fairness frisky we havent done too badly for a town of no more than 60000.

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3701 were at the stadium tonight to watch Liverpool and Everton reserves.. !

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Quote: nes2002 "3701 were at the stadium tonight to watch Liverpool and Everton reserves.. !'"


They got nearly 9000 once. People stopped going when they realised it is as dull as dishwater.

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Quote: Trashcansinatra "We got 3.5k for a Wednesday night NRC game against Barrow(reserves) last year.

There has been significant debate at Widnes over the effect that;

a) Change of game day to Friday/Saturday,

b) Credit Crunch,

c) Franchising (and the resultant meaningless games),

is going to have on our crowds this season.

Initial indications (including a recent announcement that 30% of last years season ticket holders have not renewed) are suggesting that we are looking at a 25% decrease which, as the opening poster suggests, is worrying.

ps After last night I think we can add disappointing performances to the above list aswell
I'd say this is quite negative and exaggerated too.

I wouldn't say 2700 was drastic and I'd suggest the season ticket sales are about 15% down. The club stated over 70% had renewed and another 350 were new season ticket holders. From recollection we have somewhere between 2-2500 ST holders.

You can pick the Barrow game as an example but you could have picked the Leigh game in the NR cup last year which just got over 4000. Probably just as disappointing, Oldham aren't the team they were and are an NL2 side. We also played Sheffield and got 2200, which is much worse.

Crowds are likely to be down this year for whatever reason. We just have to keep them at a reasonable level.

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Quote: Trashcansinatra "We got 3.5k for a Wednesday night NRC game against Barrow(reserves) last year.

There has been significant debate at Widnes over the effect that;

a) Change of game day to Friday/Saturday,

b) Credit Crunch,

c) Franchising (and the resultant meaningless games),

is going to have on our crowds this season.

Initial indications (including a recent announcement that 30% of last years season ticket holders have not renewed) are suggesting that we are looking at a 25% decrease which, as the opening poster suggests, is worrying.

ps After last night I think we can add disappointing performances to the above list aswell
I'd say this is quite negative and exaggerated too.

I wouldn't say 2700 was drastic and I'd suggest the season ticket sales are about 15% down. The club stated over 70% had renewed and another 350 were new season ticket holders. From recollection we have somewhere between 2-2500 ST holders.

You can pick the Barrow game as an example but you could have picked the Leigh game in the NR cup last year which just got over 4000. Probably just as disappointing, Oldham aren't the team they were and are an NL2 side. We also played Sheffield and got 2200, which is much worse.

Crowds are likely to be down this year for whatever reason. We just have to keep them at a reasonable level.

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Quote: Maximus Decimus "I'd say this is quite negative and exaggerated too.

I wouldn't say 2700 was drastic and I'd suggest the season ticket sales are about 15% down. The club stated over 70% had renewed and another 350 were new season ticket holders. From recollection we have somewhere between 2-2500 ST holders.

You can pick the Barrow game as an example but you could have picked the Leigh game in the NR cup last year which just got over 4000. Probably just as disappointing, Oldham aren't the team they were and are an NL2 side. We also played Sheffield and got 2200, which is much worse.

Crowds are likely to be down this year for whatever reason. We just have to keep them at a reasonable level.'"


I wouldn't say it was that exaggerated. I used the Barrow game as an example as it was a pretty comparable game (Highly rated NL2 squad, early season, NRC pool game and not a Sunday game).

If 70% of season ticket holders renewed then it stands to reason that 30% have not. That's quite a significant figure IMHO.

OK I admit that I did not mention the 350 new season ticket holders. That is indeed good news but we are nonetheless down on last years total figure. Surely we should not be aiming to REPLACE season ticket holders but INCREASE the number.

I did not mean to sound negative but was simply supporting the opening posters concern that we might find crowds significantly down this season (and possibly ongoing) when this is a key area that will be looked at for the next round of Franchises.

I don't think we need to just keep them at reasonable level, but also keep them significantly in excess of our rivals.

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