Yes he is awful and his level is at the simmies.

Hopefully not, as we can't keep making excuses for him. It's a shame but he just isn't good enough!

The same could be said for gardner after last nights performance

Yes grem all players get judged on one game dont they.

Yates is crap end of, lets all stop pretending he's half decent.

Jeeeeeeebus!!!!!

Don't think he's a bad player attacking in broken play. But if he doesn't sure up his basic positional play, catching and tackling by the end of the season, I think it'll be time to get rid?

Need to give him time I feel. With experience his decision making and positional play (which has been his main downfall will improve) no problems with his returning of the ball and attacking play, but it's weather he can improve in those areas to make a full half decent full back in this league.

they should ship him out on loan now hes god awfull!!

thats even if anyone will even take him !!

if he gets a contract end of this year ill eat my shorts !!

As a Leyther I would take Yates on play and pay, I feel Millward would bring him on leaps and bounds. He is young and has pace.

thats all he's got cos he doesn't offer anything else !!!

I think at 22, he needs to be holding down a regular spot in a team. Unfortunately, I dont think its at Widnes. I like Yates and think he has talent but has been poorly managed.

I've made this comparism. If you had an apprentice working for you in the electrical 'arena', who was excellent at re wiring houses and changing plug sockets, but god awful at changing light bulbs (the basic task), would you keep asking him to change the light bulbs? Or would you use him where he is strongest.

(not a great comparism but hopefully you get the point i'm making?)

You simply dont expose players to the kind of pressure that he has been put under where he is inadequate.

I dont like the excuse of 'but there's nobody else'. There's always somebody else.

The answer is simple. Take him out of the firing line. Get him out on loan at a club where he wont be exposed. Give the club he goes to specific instructions as to where you want him to play. See how he plays. If he improves, give him the opportunity to prove himself again. If not, dont renew his contract.

If he fails to produce on his return, then the decision to renew or not is obvious.

Greenwood M, was woeful at Leigh. Fax think he is a great FB.
Gaskell was poor at Leigh Widnes think he is a great winger.
Varkulis had a severe lack of bottle as a teenager at Leigh, so much so he was released
A change of scenery, a few years older and better coaching can work wonders, pace is something you have or dont.

Ian Mort?

I have just realised I have confused Yates with Flynn

Hopefully Basil can do something with Morty, he has gone backwards the past 2 years imho due to the poor coaching at the club.