That is all!

And it will get worse from next year for a few teams.

It will mate. Interesting times.

what did you expect ?
3rd worst defense in SL, AWAY to highest scorers/best defense in SL.
You lot had about as much chance as winning tonight as Prescot Panthers (Bless......)
Amazed you didn't lose by a bigger margin.

Betts out i have said for a long time.Too slow and forwards not big enough.He recruited the e not the Widnes fans

What did I expect?

More application and composure from some senior players, not to gift a team like Wigan 24 points, players not to run round like headless chickens when there was a bit of green grass in front of them. You know, things like that.

BTW, thanks for stating the bleeding obvious.

Thought Kevin Brown tried everything he could tonight, he deserved better from his team mates

Don't worry he will be confirmed as a saints player at the end of 2014.

For me composure is the massive thing!!

Someone posted on here the other day that Betts doesn't coach them to drop the ball, throw wild passes and give away daft penalties. I'm not sure what they are being coached at the moment. But it is his job to eradicate these issues and get the team back to doing the basics. A good start last night was completely undone by some completely silly moments of madness.

What happened to the nice angled attacking line that we saw early on in the season? Why do our forwards always receive the ball standing still next to the man passing the ball?

Why does Betts seem completely unwilling to try and change things around until the game is completely gone?

It's the same every week giving stupid needless penalties away in the opposition half piggy backing them into our half.

You're told as a junior if the ball is on the floor throw yourself on it, put your body on the line. It was Micky Poor as the first op stated the desire of our players to get the loose ball.

Saying that the defense was vastly improved and without having direct stats I would say there were as many line breaks for each team. Wigan finished theirs with great speed or support play - Widnes blew all but one of their's as they eother weren't fast enough or "composed" enough to finish off.

Poor bugger.

You can't put down that much ball, then not make much effort to dive on it, and not get punished by a team of our calibre. You seemed to beat yourselves before we even got the chance to have a go. Lots of respect for your few fans who turned out and never stopped singing though, I wish our fans were more like that.

Pretty good summary!

IMO that game could have easily have had an 18 point turnaround! Unfortunately out application was dire. Saw effort just a bit of panicking and as said lack of composure. We handed Wigan 3/4 tries directly from putting the ball in their hands and we also blew at least 2/3 great chances after breaks.

Your team needs to wake up!
Dropped balls happen in every game, against the best teams it costs you as it did against Wigan.
What I thought was poor beyond belief was that at three play the balls there was no Widnes player at dummy half. Usuallly you never see that in a season never mind three times in one match.
Ah Van should have been penalised he took so long to ptb.
Widnes got lucky when Hampshire did come from an offside position.
Widnes got very lucky indeed when McIlorum scooted away with the Widnes ball and was penalised for running after "held" had been called.
If Thaler had decided to play the game to the rules then Mcilorum should have been brought back to ptb. The Wigan attack was set and the Widnes defence all over the place.
Dropped balls are poor but happen.
No player at dummy half three times in one though, that's terrible beyond belief!