Released by Barrow, one that has been linked to us and one which i would have in our pack.

I’m not a big fan tbh. Yes he’s aggressive, but he gets owned by the harder props. He’s definitely never going to be SL quality in the future, so we may as well go for an older, tougher prop to see us through next year.

If I was going to go for a Barrow prop, I’d go for Matt James who, whilst not being the toughest, is one of the most skillful ball handling props in the Championship, with a great step and pace. He definitely has the potential to make the step up. Other than him, Ned Catic would add aggression to our pack, although he is likely to get sent off regularly and spend long periods banned.

It’s a real pity what has happened to Gaz Hag. He’s one of the best props we’ve had for some time.

He's only 23 though Pepe and is a pretty consistent performer, if Gannon and Haggerty go i would also see the need to bring in an experienced bulldozer as well as Bracek.

I’d sooner that we brought in two experienced bulldozers in and ripped this league up, at last. We’ve got enough of our own young players to bring through, who have more potential than Andy Bracek anyway. I really don’t see the point in signing him and I hope we don’t.

If Ben Davies signs i would agree leave him be.

He would be worthwhile signing. He really will be a star in SL imo. Wigan would be stupid to part with him.

Agreed, a season long loan would be great for us if we could somehow get it.

Only if there are no clauses in the loan which allows Wigan to call him back before the season is over.

I agree, with the Bracek comments. Likes to think he's the big man but doesn't really have the physical presence to back it up. Brett McDermott would be the Barrow one I'd go for, but he looks fairly happy where he is tbh.

I think he's an aggressive skilful prop we need. What's the score with Haggs? I'd be gutted if he left i feel give him a full off season to recover from injuries as when fully fit as mentioned he's a cracking player and best forward in this league no doubt!

Agree about James though weren't we keen when left Quins? But Dezzy got his envelopes out if course

No no no! McDermott does a job but is a yard dog cheap shot merchant like Roberts. In honesty if was P&R they'd be handy to do a job but they shouldn't be paid for what they do, in SL or with a decent ref wouldn't last 5 minutes! I respect they have their roles and give 100% but their generation has long gone!

We won't be in Super League next season. In 2012 McDermott would be back humping coal around for a living, because he will be replaced by better quality. In the meantime, he'd do a much better job than Bracek imo.

The only way it would be worthwhile bringing in Bracek, is if you think that he would be able to step up to SL level. IMO he will never be at that level, so we should persevere with our own young props, who seem to look like they will be able to cope in SL. Plus they will actually count as home grown, which will be important over the next few years.

The worrying thing for me, is that this is the type of player we have been going for. That is part of the reason why we finished in 5th place.

I'd say it's the opposite we've been looking for SL drop downs rather than top champ players and that has been our problem! Nanyn a great example of why buying championships best is better than SL outcasts... Kirk same season?

What I mean is we’ve been going for other clubs young players who can’t quite make it in SL. Someone at the club seems to think that, because they are young and promising, we’ll be able to take nearly a full squad of these players up to SL in 2012. Netherton, Coyle, Gardener, Gerrard, Pickersgill, I‘Anson and then there's all of the Dual-regs we signed on top of theat, all of which were recalled. It's time for all this cr@p to end. Only Picks imo will be worth a shot at SL, so why bother with the rest? I will admit that I know little about I‘Anson though.

If we try to build a club for SL in this league, with it’s poultry £300k cap, it will be a complete disaster. The team would be humiliated in SL and we won't even be able to hold our head up in the Champioship. I doubt we’ll even get a core of the squad from next years team. What we need is a team that can compete in the Championship next year and win it. For that we need some tough old nuts with bags of experience and skill. Let them bring our own youngsters on in a winning team, instead of getting a pasting physically every week. The good quality old heads, we did have, always seemed to be injured, because PC, in his infinite wisdom, bought them that way.

Imo Brecek will not improve us as significantly as several other players I could think of, and won’t be capable of making the step up to SL, so what’s the point?

Wouldn't really consider any of them as SL standard but Bracek still has potential. Catic is their best player, think he's out of contract too.