Taking the point made by WV concerning Joe Mellor. Yes, we did miss him in midfield particularly for his defence around the scrum and the PTB, as well as his backing up. I can see why Betts keeps Hanbury at Full Back as Mellor has developed into a fine Scrum Half.

And just a little something I must add for the "Sack Betts Fraternity." Betts does not coack players to make silly mistakes like wild passes, stupid offloads, dropping the ball, forward passes, giving away daft penalties, and giving the ref backchat. I do hope some people realise that.

With the Salary cap going back to 50% of the clubs income,we are going to struggle to get top class players,apparently if the owners are willing to cover the shortfall you are allowed the full cap,now with Soc more or less saying he has put enough money in that leaves us in lower salary cap limit I would think.

It is kneejerk (IMO). We lose, we're not going to get a new license, we win, we're heading for the playoffs. It's kneejerk reactions after virtually every game.

We have to take things in context and look at where teams were when they were in their 2nd season of SL. I haven't got the figures but I bet we stack up pretty well.

Betts is coaching a side missing leaders on the park due to injuries and when we have a squad with a lack of quality, we miss our better players when they are out of the side.

This team Betts coaches is a far better one than last year and we would have been pasted last season if we played with that lack of intensity.

Although we're losing, we're losing better (and less often and by less points than last year) !!!

Enough is enough.If Widnes persist with DB then the club are sleep walking back to the Championship.It is not about over reacting or pessism,,just pure common sense.What worries me and surely must worry even his fiercest supporters is the fact that Betts has yet to coach Widnes under any pressure.When he arrived Paul Cullen had already ticked the application for SL box by winning the rails cup.Then shortly afterwards the club were awarded a licence so results didn't have to be delivered .jThen once in SL he had the comfort of a three year deal with no threat of relegation.Even last night there was no pressure as we were underdogs.Yet despite all of that he still cannot coach a performance from his team,not even a gutsy defeat.Is anyone really expecting that suddenly Betts,next season will be able to deliver the goods when the pressure is on.?

Agree time is up for Betts as his team receive the ball standing still and very predictable.Signs Leuluai who is not good enough for 2 years and the pudding Pickgersgill
We need a few props who make yards and Wintersteine been lazy again.Betts does not utilise his squad and could have rested players who are not fully fit.Flynn,Briscoe,Davies,Gore and Lawton could have been used more often.

The fact that we have gone up the league table from last year with better results and performances across board but 'are heading in the wrong direction' amuses me greatly.