We've seen enough of Hock now to form an opinion, so how does everyone rate him as a player?

I might be alone here, but I don't think he brings any benefit to the team. Yes he has moments of shining brilliance, but for every such moment there is a negative moment to counter it. Tonight again, scores a decent try but lost the ball on first tackle in attacking position twice and conceded needless penalties.

I do think at Wigan that his contributions may have outweighed the errors due to players around him, but at Widnes he doesn't have that luxury. I wonder what Paramatta make of his performances.

(Btw, I'm not blaming him for loss tonight, just seems a good point to discuss!)

Jesus Christ even if he's not playing world class he's easily one of our most dangerous players on the park!!! He was getting slated around me at Bradford despite him having a direct / indirect role in the majority of our scores!!!

Would you lot rather a second row of Leuluai and Lawton??? Give me strength. Demand top players get them and criticise their every nice and want them released... Can't win!!!

He may be world class but a widnes he has been e apart from the odd moment in certain games.....the guy has been a liability in more ways than one.........but from your posting record on here and tiw i expect nothing
but blinkered opinions from you!

How cute...

He's won us more than he's lost us IMO. And I'd much rather see Hock knocking on trying to offload in attack than Leuluai dropping a dolly trying to clear our lines.

You also can't really moan about the length of ban he got post Workington yet then call him a liability for it. I'd still rather have him than not by FAR!

The Hock or Tickle debate could be one but in really it's not as we have Hock for 2013 and Tickle from 2014.

Brown was the one getting pelters from earlier losses. When you look at it it's actually players like Phelps and Allen who have missed 'simple' tackles in games that have cost us points!

Blaming Hock is easy an fine if that's what you want to do but suggesting we should pay him off is one of the most ludicrous things I've ever read, simple as that!

He's won us more than he's lost us IMO..............That comment is laughable,he has played well for ten minutes here and there in certain games and had a stormer against dire but he has'nt been a big enough influence in any games to say he's actually won us games.

It's easy to forget who would be replacing him in the side in most games.

Maybe winning games alone is stretching but major point is people acting like he's costing points I.e. losing us games! Which is far harde a statement to attach anything too! You don't get many back rowers involved in as many scores as Hock is. Passing wise haven't seen any better.