Yep, it didn't happen overnight for Warrington and their crowds were ok , when they moved into the HJ things really started to pick up. Problem with Salford is their crowds are pretty poor so it will cost Koukash mega money to make them anything like challengers. I know this season is a write off for them but the city should be buzzing and it must be a pretty exciting time for the Salford fans but where are they??

The thing is that The Salford area is mad on Man Utd and football.They have a stadium in a bad location and won't get a lot more fans anyway.May go to a average of 5000 maximum and we all know it is called Salfraud.lol

Maybe the reason Salford are struggling to get the crowds in the 20000+ seater stadium is cos the fans are all in the Casino and Hotel they built on site....

Hock is going to Australia, Salford fans are being led a merry dance by the Dr and Noble.

Just choked on my dinner as I heard they'd got Morley!
Good player, but injuries make him an expensive risk!

We've seen enough of Hock now to form an opinion, so how does everyone rate him as a player?

I might be alone here, but I don't think he brings any benefit to the team. Yes he has moments of shining brilliance, but for every such moment there is a negative moment to counter it. Tonight again, scores a decent try but lost the ball on first tackle in attacking position twice and conceded needless penalties.

I do think at Wigan that his contributions may have outweighed the errors due to players around him, but at Widnes he doesn't have that luxury. I wonder what Paramatta make of his performances.

(Btw, I'm not blaming him for loss tonight, just seems a good point to discuss!)

^ think I agree wholeheartedly Ste

He had a poor game tonight. Isn't capable of lifting our pack. Makes far too many mistakes for a player of his experience.

Problem with Hock is he's playing out wide so he relies a lot on our other pack members providing the go forward, which they don't have.

being a bit unfair but I do see your point. When Hock was at Wigan you would often see him running over players , but that was after the pack had sucked them all in and left him one on one with someone half his side. A bit like what Wakefield did tonight with Big Ali. Also due to his presence in the team he seems to be the go to man , whether the ball is on or not. On two or maybe three occasions tonight Brown gave him a short ball and got him murdered when the btter ball was out the back ? So maybe he hasnt made the sort of impact we wanted but he would be my first name of the sheet every week. Or would you prefer Big Frank ??

Frank Wintersteine has played better than Hock in my opinion.Too many errors and offloads that are not on to be honest.