The problem started well off the field and well into last year.

Poor recruitment and then as we have carried on into this and last season an inability of a coach to directly impact on his players and make individual or team improvements.

That team last night is never going to get into the playoffs we aren't that stupid.

It shouldn't be getting pinged 62-0 though in a derby game and well into the early part of the year when you would expect players who may be out of their depth to put it about abit more in the hope of impressing.

Things aren't going to change either. Betts can't make improvements, Cullen talks the best game I have ever heard and SOC has taken it all in and has let mediocrity set in throughout the club.

I am sorry Pepe, but you are wrong!
Paul Cullen was a terrible coach at Warrington.
He had a fantastic squad, and a super supportive chairman, but the team was useless!
The change in fortune with the same team under Tony Smith, is proof of this!
I pointed out in a previous post the simmilarities between Widnes now and Wire under Cullen.
It is not a coincidence, the common denominator is Paul Cullen!
Widnes need a great coach, not an egotistical useless one!

I only want Cullen as a caretaker coach, I just want it known, over a period of months or weeks, that the job is on offer. I'm only asking that he replace Betts for a short period. If you think that would be disastrous, you haven't got a clue. Betts makes Cullen look like Wayne Bennett.

I feel for you lads its not nice getting a thumping and I keep thinking its bad enough watching Wakey.You could take Agar off our hands but it wouldnt do you any good with the quality of players we have we should be doing better than we are.To me the only coach who would do you any good with the players you have at the moment is our old coach John Kear who performed miracles with what we had last year.

Seems some may need a plate.

You'll need more than a plate if you think you can get away with digging up old threads just to wind people up.