I agree with most of that as depressing as it is.

The one thing I will say is that I dont think this side is as bad on paper as it performs. Unfortunately we just make poor decisions constantly and we cannot defend.

It's not nice to call for the coaches head but realistically we cant keep carrying on with away games being a non-starter, regularly nilled, record defeats, record club defeats, the worst points difference to date in SL history and a stretch of around fiteen games having conceded more than thirty points in each game. No side has been as bad as this having come up to SL.

Betts doesnt seem to have had any kind of positive effect on our performances to date.

We arent as fans expecting miracles and I do think it is a little hypocritical of other fans to come on here preaching that we have three years etc.. when they wouldnt be accepting the same if it was served up for them.

Unfortunately Bruce is right. We have no continuity or winning mentality in the side nor through the club. We have accepted mediocrity for that long under SOC that it is the norm now with these performances and we are just told to accept it as part of being a phase in building towards the future. What that future is nobody ever tells us mind.

Betts wont be gone anytime soon and the club will only lurch further backwards. SOC seems to think that he can build a squad that improves which is completely at odds to what he has shown to date in his time in the Championship and thus far in SL.

I am sorry Pepe, but you are wrong!
Paul Cullen was a terrible coach at Warrington.
He had a fantastic squad, and a super supportive chairman, but the team was useless!
The change in fortune with the same team under Tony Smith, is proof of this!
I pointed out in a previous post the simmilarities between Widnes now and Wire under Cullen.
It is not a coincidence, the common denominator is Paul Cullen!
Widnes need a great coach, not an egotistical useless one!

I only want Cullen as a caretaker coach, I just want it known, over a period of months or weeks, that the job is on offer. I'm only asking that he replace Betts for a short period. If you think that would be disastrous, you haven't got a clue. Betts makes Cullen look like Wayne Bennett.

I feel for you lads its not nice getting a thumping and I keep thinking its bad enough watching Wakey.You could take Agar off our hands but it wouldnt do you any good with the quality of players we have we should be doing better than we are.To me the only coach who would do you any good with the players you have at the moment is our old coach John Kear who performed miracles with what we had last year.

Seems some may need a plate.

You'll need more than a plate if you think you can get away with digging up old threads just to wind people up.