I don't think many of us were that delusional about our prospects this 1st season back,anyone with any logic KNEW we were going to struggle with the squad we have and now even more so with Watt's injury.We were hoping he could have given us some direction in attack.

Alfie Langer came to you just after you'd won and then won...........

Andrew Johns came to you just after you'd won and then won.........

Jog on bellend!

To step-up from the Championship, recruit virtually an entirely new squad and then ask the coaching staff to make them instantly competitive is a task very few (if any) club could manage. Widnes have everything in place behind the scenes to become a top 6 SL club by the end of their 3 year licence. Maybe Denis Betts isn't the right man for your club but if a change is made it has to be the right one and not just for the sake of it. Steve O'Connor is clearly dedicated to taking Widnes to the top and from what I've seen I would trust him to continue to lead your club in the right direction. Short term defeats are hard to take but in the long run, won't matter.

Agree 100% mkc.

We can't afford knee jerk reactions every time we get stuffed. FWIW, I don't think Betts is the man for the job. Far too inexperienced and the next coach must be proven, not a gamble on a potentially good coach.

It's tough at the moment but in SOC we trust!

I think the question is, does Steve O'Connor believe Betts has potential to be a top coach? If so, he has a real chance to develop coach and side together, and O'Connor has always been committed to sustainable growth. THis year was always going to be tough.

I think Widnes need to promote from within, get some talented young lads exposed to Super League and think about years 2 and 3 above all else.

That said, the sustainable business model would be helped if the fans could really enjoy matchdays, which will only last so long if you keep gettinghumped every week.

I reckon if I were a Widnes fan I'd want to see where things stood after the London game. If you've got players complaining of the cold, they have to take some blame for being jessies, not just the coach. Although he shouldn't be joining in...