So much hate for Widnes! Im not expecting play offs, but im also not expecting to finish bottom.

Bigal speaks the truth.. ALL games are winnable.. Wakefield beating us proves that

So when you play the big clubs like Wigan,Wire,Saints etc you see them as 'winnable'? Don't be deluded.

Keith's most active forum is the Widnes Vikings one. But he'll say he's not bitter. He should worry about his own team more than Widnes.

Wire a small club.

All games are winnable, whats hard to understand about that.

Wakefield turn over a

big club

every season and i see no reason why Widnes can't do the same.

I think so long as the team is competitive then Betts won't get the sack no matter where the team end up. For me it was always going to be between Salford and Widnes for bottom spot, but that does not mean you can't win you're fair share of games.

In the end the leap up to SL is massive hence the licence system to allow teams to take their oppertunities in year 2 and 3 when they can get fair dibs on the players available. Did not see your opening game but spoke to family member who did. They were under the impression that Widnes gave their all in the opening 40, but Wakefield where able too ride the onslaught and just had too much in the final 3rd.

Wakefield are almost a new side and as such are going to be hard to predict.

Well said, you make many fair points and for me its spot on.

Widnes will struggle all this season but will improve along the way, best of luck.

Wakey won 10 games first time out in SL and i hope Widnes can do the same.

Not doing so well ? Think my prediction of 4 points might have been a bit optimistic perhaps you could be the first team to get No points in a SL season !

No one is/was talking about a play off place. The thread was started by a non-Widnes fan and no one agreed.

2 points already so past the 0 points already.

Just noticed, Brucie's gone quiet hasn't he?