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Quote: J20 "SOSs how do you work that out? Look at all Champ clubs... Ate they going to add 1000 to crowds? 2mill to turnover? Build new stadiums (bar Leigh) and set up a youth structure that beats SL sides weekly?

I hope Widnes are the framework for future bids but i fail to see how another bid from current Champ sides could be stronger! On field maybe but then the other parts? Highly unlikely on current form!'"

I will wait to comment on the books when the accounts are officially posted as that has been done to death. As for crowds we all have a catchment areas; with good rugby on the pitch and advertising I can see certainly my club achieving well above 2500 average. Again this will not happen over night.
If you read it properly I said in the future. Why shouldn't clubs be able to better Widnes in the application process? How long ago was it that Widnes were in Administration? 2007..and only survived due to SOC dragging the club out of the mire. Widnes have come on leaps and bounds since then through the backing of SOC and a great financial structure.
My point is that you are not unique in this league. There are clubs with their very own SOC's waiting in the wings.

Post note...I am not slaggin Widnes off; I am agreeing that you have the strongest bid and by that should go to SL. What I am saying is that your bid is not the strongest that can be submitted and it is my opinion that stronger bids will be submitted in the future. This is a first pass from this league and Widnes HAVE laid a benchmark.

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Quote: Starbug "Check out the 'RFL can invite any overseas club to submit an application '

Clause , as I said , it won't affect Widnes , but they can apply if the RFL invite them to'"


You never know, this is the RFL after all, like most Widnes fans until its officially announced that we are in (if we are that is) then we wont beleive it.

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Quote: soss "I didnt say that administration did have a bareing on the cap. What I said was you came out in 2007. It doesnt matter where the money is spent for the books its the fact is was spent and posted as a loss (has to come from somewhere). I don't want to get into this side of it as I dont know your accounts other than what I have read on the forum.

The point I was making is that the cap did not come in to rein Widnes back it was brought in to stop clubs overspending and going into administration. No team can use the salary cap as an excuse for their performance as we ALL work to the same capping system which is audited by the RFL.'"


Would a cap of 400k not still do this, how about 500k?

It was lowered because of licensing and the fact that winning the league means less. It was to increase competitiveness. In the past the teams with the most money kept a full-time squad and won the league easily. This wasn't necessary in the Championship.

The salary cap is an excuse for performance because the league is reduced to a competition of who can get the most out of 300k. In theory Leeds, Wigan or Brisbane would stand the same chance of winning the Championship as Batley.

We have the most fans and the most money. How exactly are we supposed to show this superiority when we are only allowed to spend the same as all the other clubs? It also means nothing about how clubs will do in Super League as the cap goes up by so much.

The fact is that if they scrapped the cap tomorrow there would be some clubs who would still be spending 300k, however Widnes could spend a lot more and very probably would. Those clubs are allowed to spend the maximum that they can but Widnes aren't. Hardly fair.

The fact also remains that we never had P&R with a cap like it is now. So it means nothing who finishes top and whether they should be in Super League.

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maximus decimus, pepe and all other viking warriors! i think it probably best we just sit back safe in the knowledge we know the facts. rather than continuing to engage in pointless debate with misinformed fools. lets just keep to ourselves and wait a few years for our glorious victory in the super league grand final!

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Quote: vikingsmurf "maximus decimus, pepe and all other viking warriors! i think it probably best we just sit back safe in the knowledge we know the facts. rather than continuing to engage in pointless debate with misinformed fools. lets just keep to ourselves and wait a few years for our glorious victory in the super league grand final!'"


I'll be cheering you on from the pub , pint in hand eusa_clap.gif

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This is really running on. All I can say is that if/when you get in is Good Luck.
I'm sure that you'll need a lot as it'll still appear an uneven playing field but if you make a good shout of it it may open the door for next time for other clubs.

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