and how many times does it have to be said.. Its not that we can't afford to keep him.. its the salary cap.. At the end of the day, Us fans don't have to contribute.. We WANT to contribute..

Also, any additional money could easily come from sky, more sponsorships or even the back pocket of Steve o'connor..

We all die by the same sword.....

When will you lot get it in to your heads, we don't make the rules we just play to them.

I was asked how we would get the money so i gave an answer?

What do you want me to say? You want us to reject the Sky money, if its there, you use it.

Obviously not , have a look at the SL table

But if half this league can wupp your sorry =#FF0000removed on less of a turnover then you, then what will the established SL clubs do to you lot on level pegging or even more money than you unofficially



You completely, and irredeemably, stupid person Pepe



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=#FF0000No getting around the swearword filter. Not knowing is not an excuse. Chris.

As you like to call people thought it would be rude if I never kept in style

Promotion is now based predominantly on off-field crietria. Widnes tick most boxes (to coin a phrase) in this sense. Widnes should be promoted. It really is that simple.

Like Starbug said, it's the system that is wrong and not the problem of Widnes however ridiculous we all know it is.

In the same way no Widnes fans ever bleeted on about you getting shown the door several seasons back, you just all sighed and accepted it in a dignified way





When you benefit its great isint it.

Here's how i see it. When we had promotion and relegation, who got promoted, the team who was the best throughout the year, the most consistant team that finished top? No. It could be a team who finish 6th and have a couple of good weeks on the pitch, is this fair? Make your own opinions on that.

Franchise system is based on a team that within a 2 year period has made a GF or won the NRC, so they musn't be too bad on the field. It's also based on the structure of the club, finances, stadia, crowds, youth setup. Criteria which if a club do have, will help them progress once in SL.

The very sad thing is that we would not have been having this conversation if you hadn't have drafted in your SL players for the NRC final in 2009 as you would have won nothing.......no matter how good your stadia and youth team are.

Why are we debating with all the Barra lovers? just ban them and have done with it. They're a nothing club who will be in the lower leagues for years to come.