Ah but they state a lot of things - you don't actually believe that do u VM ???

Nes

I am no fan of the RL but I suspect they mean business this time.Nigel Wood said in an interview a few months back that we are in competition with other sports and entertainments for peoples time and money and in this day and age people expect modern,comfortable facilities.I just got the impression they are sick to the back teeth of promises from certain clubs and the antequated image of the game when televised from some grounds.What would be the point of this charade every 3 years if they are going to award a club with an inferior rating a SL licence above a club with a superior rating?It would just breed complacency with the established also rans doing nothing to make progress with stadia,facilities, etc because they will know that it doesn't really matter.

Stadia aren't the be all and end all for franchise though. It's set up so super league clubs can cover most criteria and get a B/C grade - enough to stay in. Championship clubs don't have a chance on any criteria except for the shiny stadia one - that wont get a B/C grade. Rules will only change for clubs the RFL want in there - were Crusaders really a C grade based on the facilities they had then, and why weren't they reassessed when they became a new club at the other end of Wales? Is there a criteria for them stating "has potential to get better if franchise moved around until they find somewhere that likes them?"

Closed shop. Lets not kid ourselves eh?

Widnes were on a C last time surely! We had two 'problems' the fact a new company effectively and also our youth production both those now dealt with!

Only Saints and Wigan. Widnes finished above Leeds.

You are totally off with that my friend; weaste (where the ground currently is) is one of the most lightly populated areas of the city due to crime thousands of people have now moved. The area where the new stadium will be situated will be slap bang in the middle of nearly four different area's there's irlam/cadishead. flixton/urmston. eccles/worsley trafford/sale these area's have 10 times the population of tiny weaste which I m not afraid to say has more immigrants and crime sponging families than anything else living there. Home fans don't like going to the willows never mind away fans the ground is in the total wrong area for a top league sporting team, the sooner were out the better. You can kind of match us to hull fc with there old boulevard ground being situated in a very similar type of area to weaste, its just not appealing to families to come and watch there team.

But what happens if you build it, and it doesn't attract the fans you want it to? And that's an if. Clearing the topsoil and not laying one brick doesn't convince me.

what makes you think it still wont be built? Salford city council have injected 10 million into the project and peel holdings 16 million the work has started the tender has been finalised lang orouke i believe have the contract, the guys are on site Digging the foundations as we speak, steel structural work will start in october, the wheel's been in motion for along time now, put it this way theres more chance of gordon brown being re-elected than the stadium not being built . Have a look on the scarlet turkey some detailed arcitecural drawings on there.

Heard all this one million times. And you've cleared the site before now. And you've all shown us pretty drawings. Doesn't matter a jot if there is no brickwork.

It's not that I don't believe it will be built, it's that, this is no different to what has been said before and it wasn't built then.

believe me pal it will go ahead without any problems from now on, the last time work was holted was due to change to the drawings, the original plan was for a 32 million pound iconic stadium, since goverment issues have arised over spending the council had to go for a cheaper 26 million pound scale down version. Still a nice lookin stadium all the same, as ive said the tender has been sold to lang orouke, they will start work in october and the stadium will be finished by late 2011.