I think that's probably true Dors. And that the RFL are despertaly trying to make the club work at the top level. I'm inclined to agree with Twiggy that the RFL are just desperatly trying to save their face and doing anything to try and claim the club as a success. Nothing has really been said about the visa fiasco and they are doing everything they can to put a positive spin on the shambles. They will be dead and buried within two years. The new welsh team will get fastracked to Super dooper League and the whole thing starts again.

The whole thing stinks.

hmmm.. let me see South Wales has not turned out in numbers like the south of France for Super League Expansion??? who would have guessed that... however much the "northern" game wants & wishes to expand the core & loyal i.e. fan who will pay to see... is located in the North of this Isle. What if Leigh/Featherstone/Widnes or Halifax has been given the same funding & better Visa advice? Crowds better than 4k per home game would have been acheived, simply by by better away support alone, expand yes but small steps, if Wrexham had been the first step then yes a NL1 team 2 years ago would have been a good step.... but now to save face it is regression with Leigh and Widnes within spitting distance its laughable. Maybe a North Wales Wrexham "crusaders" will work in 2/3 time but it may have slowed or severed rugby league heartland (teams) to a slow beat in the process. We all want the game to expand but don't cut off the roots or the tree won't grow....

I'm all for expansion if its done correctly, Crusaders should have had another 3 years in Championship in order to grow their business, build up a hard core fan base etc. Instead they were just rushed in just because of their geographical location. Moving to wrexham is basically a move that the owners of Wrexham FC see as a way of improving their own chances of survival, they couldn't give a toss about Crusaders or rugby league in general. And what a stupid statement to come out with saying they're expecting 4500 Leeds fans for their opening game who will be making a weekend of it! Leeds don't take that to Wakey od Cas nevermind Wrexham and I'm sure there are plenty of other places Id think of first to spend a weekend before Wrexham Perpignan just for starters! Hope someone like the likes of yourselves, Barrow or Fax are successful next time, let the new clubs build and expand before throwing them in with the big boys, If a club with the stature of say Widnes and Fax can go belly up like you did then what chance has a new club like Crusaders got of succeeding straight from the off - none I'd say as has been proven. Good luck next time, hope we'll be facing you in our new stadium!

I would love that. Kick everyone's favourite second team Castleford out. I'd love to see some of the postings after that from some of our loudest critics.

I can't imagine what the likes of tb would say. After years of gloating and goading towards Widnes as well as supporting anything and everything that the RFL says and does. If he said anything at all about the RFL or the licence process he'd basically be exposing himself as a hypocrite.

The fall out from the next round of licences will be interesting to say the least.

Widnes went into administration in 2007 you know.TB has mentioned it once or twice.