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Quote: vikings 4 ever "I actually think its a valid point. I would think that whilst its nice to win the odd thing at this level, what all the top Championship clubs are aiming for is a SL licence. So by labelling Des as more successful, then it very much remains to be seen. I would have thought that if Des wants a licence for Barra, then he should have upgraded the floodlights no questions asked, and also built a recognised and extensive youth development structure. All those sort of things cost money and although Des may or may not be impessing some with the strength of the Barrow 1st team, there are a lot of other things Des could be spending money on, but it doesn't appear that he's willing to do that. Without Steve O'Connor at Widnes, it would be very doubtful that we would have been running an u16's u18's and u21's, but he's been prepared to make the investment as well as ensuring we've been competitive on the pitch. He's also made a heavy investment to a stadium that was already good enough for SL. Everything about SO'C says professionalism - Dessie boy gives the impression hes a flash harry and no-one outside Barrow is that impressed by him.'"


Got to agree, as a fax fan we'd love somebody with money like o'connor or des. However i think most neutrals would take o'connor everyday of the week as he seems to go queitly about his business rather than be the centre of attention.

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What I don't quite get is people think Barrow could run without Dez but Widnes not without Steve O'Connor? ALL clubs run at a loss and need decent backers that's a plain and simple fact atm.

As for stadium as I believe Widnes get ticket revenue and council get bar sales etc.

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Quote: SRC "Thanks for the replies. I have no doubt that the Stobart is a top stadium (hope to visit in 2010).
I just wonder how his finance worked with the owners of the stadium - ie those who make money out of it.

It's a bit like a the parent of a tenant approaching the landlord and offering to build a large extension and conservatory at no cost to the landlord. I'm not doubting SOC did it, but it just seems a bit strange.

I know that some Barrow fans worry about what would happen should Des leave the club. IMO most of that worry has been removed now the club is getting towards being self-supported.

A serious question ..... do Widnes fans fear for life post-2012 (inc the future of SOC) if a SL license isn't forthcoming ?? I think yor biggest threat would be if Toulouse have a belting couple of seasons.

Regarding Barrow, we really have turned a corner and for all DJ's faults he is a very astute businessman who has turned the club from a mid-table NL2 side to a profit making business with a fast growing fanbase and a near £1M turnover. It isn't all down to his money by any means.

Of course Craven Park is our biggest asset and also our biggest achilles heel. There has been progress going on behind the scenes for 18 months now regarding funding for CP development. The people 'in the know' seem very confident that the money will be available from various sources (including fundraising). Whatever happens about SL, the stadium needs to be totally modernised, so sooner or later it will happen. Whether or not it'll be in time for 2012 is anyones guess, but wth our current BOD anything is possible (as 2009 proved).'"


Barrow will not get a licence for 2012. It is also possible that Widnes will be over-looked yet again. If that is the case, we will probably have to lose our youth structures and suffer the same fate as the rest of the lower leagues, and become nothing more than feeder clubs. We will still be debt free and, almost certainly, in a better state than every other club in these leagues. In the long term, however, it could be disastrous for every club below SL. Once they become feeder clubs they will lose that important sense of identity. They will lose all hope and ambition, because they will be prevented from ever reaching the pinnacle of our sport.

The only clubs likely to see promotion will be expansion clubs, who could be dropped in on us from time to time - Although the Crusaders debacle may make even the RFL think twice about promoting clubs to SL that a clearly not ready. The RFL (Richard Lewis anyway) have stated, in a meeting with Halton MP Derek Twigg, that they intend to run the Crusaders from Wrexham and also run a club from Sth Wales in the Championship. So I can only see current Championship attendance levels plummeting to lower levels Championship 1 attendances.

In summary, if Widnes do not get a licence in 2012, they will be up sh/t creek the same as every other club below SL, including Barrow.

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Quote: Pepe "Barrow will not get a licence for 2012. It is also possible that Widnes will be over-looked yet again. If that is the case, we will probably have to lose our youth structures and suffer the same fate as the rest of the lower leagues, and become nothing more than feeder clubs. We will still be debt free and, almost certainly, in a better state than every other club in these leagues. In the long term, however, it could be disastrous for every club below SL. Once they become feeder clubs they will lose that important sense of identity. They will lose all hope and ambition, because they will be prevented from ever reaching the pinnacle of our sport.

The only clubs likely to see promotion will be expansion clubs, who could be dropped in on us from time to time - Although the Crusaders debacle may make even the RFL think twice about promoting clubs to SL that a clearly not ready. The RFL (Richard Lewis anyway) have stated, in a meeting with Halton MP Derek Twigg, that they intend to run the Crusaders from Wrexham and also run a club from Sth Wales in the Championship. So I can only see current Championship attendance levels plummeting to lower levels Championship 1 attendances.

In summary, if Widnes do not get a licence in 2012, they will be up sh/t creek the same as every other club below SL, including Barrow.'"


Aye. Selfish as this sounds I really want Widnes to get in before the inevitable drawbridge is pulled up. No one will be in a position to mount a successful Super League bid after six years in a limited, capped second tier.

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Quote: Chris Dalton "Aye. Selfish as this sounds I really want Widnes to get in before the inevitable drawbridge is pulled up. No one will be in a position to mount a successful Super League bid after six years in a limited, capped second tier.'"


Or see any point in going to the expense of running academies.

= unloved feeder clubs.

I want us to get a licence for 2012 too. But that doesn't mean that I agree with the licence system. In fact I hate it!

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Quote: Pepe "Or see any point in going to the expense of running academies.



Making feeder clubs of proud 100-130 year institutions is a fookin crime. It's nothing short of treason.

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