Got to agree, as a fax fan we'd love somebody with money like o'connor or des. However i think most neutrals would take o'connor everyday of the week as he seems to go queitly about his business rather than be the centre of attention.

Some good points there V4E.

SOC spent hundreds of thousands of pounds on the stadium - the facilities in the north stand (physio area, player meeting rooms, weights room etc.) are superb and a testament to the fact that he wants a professional set-up.

That's what I was getting at yes lads!

Is success building a team or building a club? As the RFL seems intent on maiing the Championship a feeder league currently i'd say building a club for a SL licence atm would be the best option!

Just a pity the RFL didn't visit those upgraded facilities when they went round the club doing their rating on the stadium in the ' license process', and I ain't joking!

One goes with the other in the long run.

It does but in terms of SL 2012, i'd be thinking of having both in order by 2010! As with no Pro & Relegation it's not simply about having best side on park anymore!

A couple of questions ..

1) Do Widnes own The Stobart Stadium ? If not, why has SOC spent money on it ?
2) If SOC is personally propping-up the youth system at Widnes (as posted in this thread), what happens if Widnes don't get a license and he walks ?

Des hasn't spent as much as people think at Barrow (certainly not the million or so SOC has). By increasing the club lottery and establishing a far more professional business acumen, the club is probably not far off supporting itself without Des' cash.

Sounds like SOC is the one throwing cash around. Relying on Des to pay for a full stadium development and a youth set-up would be far more than any fan would expect of an individual and is something I doubt even SOC would pay out for.

The only way you can apply for a license is if you win the NR Cup or get to the GF. Now we've got that one out of the way and can actually apply, we'll tackle the other issues. We only got promoted 12 months ago. Rome wasn't built in a day.

He has spent money on the stadium because it is all part of the club set up, he is splashing out on areas that will help improve our application nothing more nothing less, he has always stated that his main aim is to get us back where we belong and for that i am grateful

As was posted on your board... the money was spent on the stadium because the enhancements were going to directly benefit the club.
Firstly.. the stadium is not owned by the club, but make no mistake that the stadium is there for the club. It was purpose built for the Widnes Vikings.

Looking at the areas that were improved it is easy to see how the club benefited and why it was worth the investment. New gym, new changing facilities, new offices for the club staff, new media room. Plus if the ground improvements assist in getting the club a licence then it will have been worth it. The stadium is now one of the premier RL purpose built grounds in the country and rightfully receives plaudits from all circles.

Thanks for the replies. I have no doubt that the Stobart is a top stadium (hope to visit in 2010).
I just wonder how his finance worked with the owners of the stadium - ie those who make money out of it.

It's a bit like a the parent of a tenant approaching the landlord and offering to build a large extension and conservatory at no cost to the landlord. I'm not doubting SOC did it, but it just seems a bit strange.

I know that some Barrow fans worry about what would happen should Des leave the club. IMO most of that worry has been removed now the club is getting towards being self-supported.

A serious question ..... do Widnes fans fear for life post-2012 (inc the future of SOC) if a SL license isn't forthcoming ?? I think yor biggest threat would be if Toulouse have a belting couple of seasons.

Regarding Barrow, we really have turned a corner and for all DJ's faults he is a very astute businessman who has turned the club from a mid-table NL2 side to a profit making business with a fast growing fanbase and a near £1M turnover. It isn't all down to his money by any means.

Of course Craven Park is our biggest asset and also our biggest achilles heel. There has been progress going on behind the scenes for 18 months now regarding funding for CP development. The people 'in the know' seem very confident that the money will be available from various sources (including fundraising). Whatever happens about SL, the stadium needs to be totally modernised, so sooner or later it will happen. Whether or not it'll be in time for 2012 is anyones guess, but wth our current BOD anything is possible (as 2009 proved).

Widnes have the best fan base in the league and we deserve a licence as much as any superleague team such as salford,wakey,hkr etc.It all a joke and should go on promotion and relegation every year and the best team wins.No help to the french etc as we need improve the british game.We where better 20 or 30 yrs ago, we not gone forward due to so many aussies playing for celtic and french teams.