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| Quote moz88="moz88"Is there a B&M's in Widnes?'"
Yes mozz were the old woolys was... 
Some bargins there... |
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| Quote Skrewdriver="Skrewdriver"Yes mozz were the old woolys was...
Some bargins there...'"
ha we used to have a field day in St Helens B&M's every thursday after finishing college at 1pm, cheap as chips.  |
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| you used to have only 8,800 in 88/89! when you were the best. so to get 3,000 in national league 1 is ok  |
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| Quote MR FRISK="MR FRISK"you used to have only 8,800 in 88/89! when you were the best. so to get 3,000 in national league 1 is ok
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In fairness frisky we havent done too badly for a town of no more than 60000. |
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3701 were at the stadium tonight to watch Liverpool and Everton reserves.. !
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| Quote nes2002="nes2002"3701 were at the stadium tonight to watch Liverpool and Everton reserves.. !'"
They got nearly 9000 once. People stopped going when they realised it is as dull as dishwater. |
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| Quote Trashcansinatra="Trashcansinatra"We got 3.5k for a Wednesday night NRC game against Barrow(reserves) last year.
There has been significant debate at Widnes over the effect that;
a) Change of game day to Friday/Saturday,
b) Credit Crunch,
c) Franchising (and the resultant meaningless games),
is going to have on our crowds this season.
Initial indications (including a recent announcement that 30% of last years season ticket holders have not renewed) are suggesting that we are looking at a 25% decrease which, as the opening poster suggests, is worrying.
ps After last night I think we can add disappointing performances to the above list aswell
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I'd say this is quite negative and exaggerated too.
I wouldn't say 2700 was drastic and I'd suggest the season ticket sales are about 15% down. The club stated over 70% had renewed and another 350 were new season ticket holders. From recollection we have somewhere between 2-2500 ST holders.
You can pick the Barrow game as an example but you could have picked the Leigh game in the NR cup last year which just got over 4000. Probably just as disappointing, Oldham aren't the team they were and are an NL2 side. We also played Sheffield and got 2200, which is much worse.
Crowds are likely to be down this year for whatever reason. We just have to keep them at a reasonable level. |
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| Quote Trashcansinatra="Trashcansinatra"We got 3.5k for a Wednesday night NRC game against Barrow(reserves) last year.
There has been significant debate at Widnes over the effect that;
a) Change of game day to Friday/Saturday,
b) Credit Crunch,
c) Franchising (and the resultant meaningless games),
is going to have on our crowds this season.
Initial indications (including a recent announcement that 30% of last years season ticket holders have not renewed) are suggesting that we are looking at a 25% decrease which, as the opening poster suggests, is worrying.
ps After last night I think we can add disappointing performances to the above list aswell
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I'd say this is quite negative and exaggerated too.
I wouldn't say 2700 was drastic and I'd suggest the season ticket sales are about 15% down. The club stated over 70% had renewed and another 350 were new season ticket holders. From recollection we have somewhere between 2-2500 ST holders.
You can pick the Barrow game as an example but you could have picked the Leigh game in the NR cup last year which just got over 4000. Probably just as disappointing, Oldham aren't the team they were and are an NL2 side. We also played Sheffield and got 2200, which is much worse.
Crowds are likely to be down this year for whatever reason. We just have to keep them at a reasonable level. |
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| Quote Maximus Decimus="Maximus Decimus"I'd say this is quite negative and exaggerated too.
I wouldn't say 2700 was drastic and I'd suggest the season ticket sales are about 15% down. The club stated over 70% had renewed and another 350 were new season ticket holders. From recollection we have somewhere between 2-2500 ST holders.
You can pick the Barrow game as an example but you could have picked the Leigh game in the NR cup last year which just got over 4000. Probably just as disappointing, Oldham aren't the team they were and are an NL2 side. We also played Sheffield and got 2200, which is much worse.
Crowds are likely to be down this year for whatever reason. We just have to keep them at a reasonable level.'"
I wouldn't say it was that exaggerated. I used the Barrow game as an example as it was a pretty comparable game (Highly rated NL2 squad, early season, NRC pool game and not a Sunday game).
If 70% of season ticket holders renewed then it stands to reason that 30% have not. That's quite a significant figure IMHO.
OK I admit that I did not mention the 350 new season ticket holders. That is indeed good news but we are nonetheless down on last years total figure. Surely we should not be aiming to REPLACE season ticket holders but INCREASE the number.
I did not mean to sound negative but was simply supporting the opening posters concern that we might find crowds significantly down this season (and possibly ongoing) when this is a key area that will be looked at for the next round of Franchises.
I don't think we need to just keep them at reasonable level, but also keep them significantly in excess of our rivals. |
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Good points and I agree.
I'd love our crowds to increase but that is unlikely in my opinion mainly because of franchising. If we can keep them at a sustainable level then we provide a realistic alternative to a Wakefield or a Castleford if they don't get a new stadium. If we are at the same level then our bid is the same just without the fact that we went bust which realistically was their only justification for leaving us out.
The crowd was down and ST sales are down but on a positive note many of us thought with franchising crowds would quickly drop off. There are fans who have thrown their dummies out of the pram with RL and decided not to renew, they don't realise that harm they are doing to Widnes RL. Do they think that the RFL really cares that they are boycotting RL? It just gives them validation to leave us out next time.
Personally I think that Steve O got rid of McCormack so quickly partly because of this reason. There hasn't been much optimism in the pre-season and this is in part to do with the side Steve has assembled. We need a big name to get that buzz and optimism back and then we will find it easier to attract new fans and get fans coming back.
We're probably looking at around 2500 on Saturday. If we'd appointed Hanley I reckon that would've been approaching 4000.
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| Quote Trashcansinatra="Trashcansinatra"I wouldn't say it was that exaggerated. I used the Barrow game as an example as it was a pretty comparable game (Highly rated NL2 squad, early season, NRC pool game and not a Sunday game).
If 70% of season ticket holders renewed then it stands to reason that 30% have not. That's quite a significant figure IMHO.
OK I admit that I did not mention the 350 new season ticket holders. That is indeed good news but we are nonetheless down on last years total figure. Surely we should not be aiming to REPLACE season ticket holders but INCREASE the number.
I did not mean to sound negative but was simply supporting the opening posters concern that we might find crowds significantly down this season (and possibly ongoing) when this is a key area that will be looked at for the next round of Franchises.
I don't think we need to just keep them at reasonable level, but also keep them significantly in excess of our rivals.[/quote
The correct attitude
The wrong attitude
My post from earlier
Quote TrashcansinatraUnfortunatley these days , any excuse will do
Attendances are the biggest problem at this level , there is a reason the RFL have 40 % of stadium capacity as a criteria , anything less and the lack of atmosphere is very apparent
The Championship clubs really do need to sit down together [ without an RFL presence to discuss what they can do collectively to improve attendances , income and profile of the competitions they contest
I understand that Widnes are the favourites to get the 2012 SL spot up for grabs but until all the clubs make a ' leap of faith ' on the issues outside of the 80 minutes on the pitch , no clubs will ever move forward
All the best'" '"
Who are your rivals ?
On the pitch for 80 minutes they are the teams you will play this season
Off the pitch you mean the clubs that will be applying for SL
But if all the NL/Championship clubs take a 3 year or bust mentallity then we as a competition are as good as dead now
On the pitch , fine we compete with each other , off the pitch we collaborate or die
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