Depends how you define fickle. I am not fickle i felt last season Agar should have gone, and like many others gave him the benefit of the doubt for this season but still felt he wasn't the man for the job. I really have not changed my opinion throughout all of this.

I do know what you mean though, you get some who are happy to Agar bash when losing but soon switch over when we get a couple of wins.

It was not personal and I know you have not rated Agar from the beginning...

It is like I pointed out though it is the same people waiting on the sidelines to do the bashing when we lose...it just gets so boring, and I have noticed it is getting very personal toward certain posters...so many keyboard warriors


The majority of fans will reflect on the season and remmeber the atmopshere at the Saints game and other games which entertained them, they will go through winter and then buy their passes, they go to watch rugby and hope to win some-thing if they do then great, if they don't they will dream the dream for the following year, at the end of the day it is just a sport

The majority of fans i come across, whether it be patients or work colleagues all think Agar should not be in charge, the people we sit near at the KC agree he shouldnt be in charge, he may be a top bloke, but imo i just dont think hes the man to take this club forward, i never thought it last season, and i wont think it next season!!
his brand of rugby is so dour, un-entertaining, just boring, aside from a few games its been like this for a couple of seasons, the players hes signed have been great (when fit) but they dont need coaching, the derby games, the players dont (shouldnt) need motivating, i just dont get excited going to watch FC any more, its become a chore, and Friday night was terrible, a loss i expected, but getting nilled at home???? seriously do you think this is good enough? in your opinion, what does Agar bring to this club?

I know and i do and did agree with what you were getting at. I try not to get involved in the nasty remarks made at some of the posters and feel it does get out of hand at times. I know you have your ideas of where we are at and i have my own and at the end of the day only time will tell who is right/wrong etc. It will of course be me who is right

NOW you're in trouble



I'll live the dream no matter what, it doesn't make me a fool for supporting the club I love. The people running the club do take the fans for granted sometimes and I can see why some people will make a choice as to whether they'll renew passes, but doesn't that happen every year?

You would? After the two seasons we've just had we sold more passes than ever before. That's not a sign of fickle support. People might have a moan every now and again, but if our supporters were fickle our gates would have dropped significantly over the past two years before recovering this season with our improved league position.

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We certainly know how to moan

Yet a number of top class OZ and NZ internationals have come over and flopped or at least not lived up to the reputation they came here with. They then either claim lack of settling or excuses are made for them. I think a lot of it is the big names have nothing to prove and as such don't put the effort in. The 'lesser' names have a point to prove and shine.

I'd heard of both of them. I never said they were world class signings: as you suggested we were as good as Wigan, I asked who you thought our equivalent players are. You didn't answer. I don't think we have a pair of comparable players. Yet. What Richards and Carmont both are, whether you class them as journeymen or not, are cabable and experienced players who add strength, solidity and an attacking edge. Fringe players at top NRL clubs? Probably. Because NRL > SL.

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Yeaman, on his current form, wouldn't get into Wigans back line. Briscoe has the potential to be better than any of the Wigan three-quarters. If he stays at Hull I hope his potential is realised. If he went to Wigan I'm sure his potential would be realised. He'd certainly see more of the ball than he does at the moment; and in attacking positions, not being used first-up in the middle of the field.

We had, we went for him in 2006 i think

When he had his steven segal hairstyle

I think you're mistaken, people were delighted we won the derby but I don't recall anyone (except yourself, the Expro and one or two others) getting carried away that we were an excellent side all of a sudden. '"

but there are many also that post on here that are like you and I BB, the likes of those that dont follow the piper and shout agar out at the slightest issue and we do not jump in and slander everyone from the top downwards daily..
Professional sport is about ups and downs, I for one am glad that we are in the hands of a ownership that does not want to chop and change the coaching staff anymore and are willing to stand by a british coach who is as we stand heading for our first playoff match for a wee while..
well said BB although i doubt the piper and his rats will agree