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Quote: sandy "perhaps his defence will improve if and when he plays outside of a decent second rower, arguably his best games for hull have been in the left centre position (albeit very infrequently due to yeamans automatic pick)playing outside willie manu.

On the same subject he had a poor game on friday playing outside turner who I'd say had his worst game in a hull shirt (though he has been ok generally) and lazy hutch lauaki'"


Unfortunately Craig has had too many poor games for it all to be blamed on the players around him.

Its also unrealistic to expect the team/formation to be picked so that he is surrounded by players who can cover his defensive shortcomings.

Its not just that he is poor defensively, because many good attacking players are too, but he shows no signs of being able to reach even the minimum standard to be expected of a SL player.

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Quote: Nobeerineasthull "Unfortunately Craig has had too many poor games for it all to be blamed on the players around him.quote]

That about sums it up perfectly im afraid..
Many will say he is Martin Offiah esque with ball in hand but its been a while since we saw that in him too.
Unfortunately some players reach a level and kick on and become household names in rugby and some stagnate at one level and CH is in that bracket .
In my opinion he will always look better with good players inside of him, however that is the same for ANY player.. a good player however will make those inside of him look good not the other way around.
NL1 standard im afraid but has potential I have no doubt but against Wigan he was a fish out of water and looked like a man cruicified at half time

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I've never heard anyone liken him to Offiah Expro?

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Quote: Big Dave T "I've never heard anyone liken him to Offiah Expro?'"


over the months many have said he is this and that with ball in hand however he is not ,
clarified now?

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you make some valid points expro, what I would say though is the kid is 22, very tall but still like a beanpole, if say he could put on a stone and half of muscle whilst keeping his speed he could potentially be better than shenton who saints are signing by the time he is 25 or 26. I take your points about some young players never make that final step but I don't think hall has finished developing yet but perhaps he has gone stale under agar and needs a move anywhere really to set him off again

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Quote: B0NES "No one fault other than his own .'"

He's been used as a utility player when he clearly isn't one. That certainly hasn't helped. That said it doesn't really matter whose fault it is now - the situation is beyond rescue and he needs to leave for his sake and the club's.

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Quote: sandy "you make some valid points expro, what I would say though is the kid is 22, very tall but still like a beanpole, if say he could put on a stone and half of muscle whilst keeping his speed he could potentially be better than shenton who saints are signing by the time he is 25 or 26. I take your points about some young players never make that final step but I don't think hall has finished developing yet but perhaps he has gone stale under agar and needs a move anywhere really to set him off again'"


Exactly my friend exactly! however believe me when I say that RA actually realy rates the lad hence why he keeps going with him but he just never seems to get that confidence boosting swervy run going any more.
Look we al know the kid isnt the greatest tackler but if he was scoring for fun it would mask the problem however he does not look like he has the heart at present and I think the off season cant come soon enough for the lad
but agree a change of dressing room is the best place for him

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Quote: Kosh "He's been used as a utility player when he clearly isn't one. That certainly hasn't helped. That said it doesn't really matter whose fault it is now - the situation is beyond rescue and he needs to leave for his sake and the club's.'"


cant disagree there either , its not he gets paid a lot or is integral either but deep down i think he is someone we all want to see do well isnt he??

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Quote: EXPRO "cant disagree there either , its not he gets paid a lot or is integral either but deep down i think he is someone we all want to see do well isnt he??'"

I've always liked him, ever since he first came into the first team. I've defended him to the hilt on here, probably way beyond where it was sensible, because IMO he showed the potential to become exactly the sort of flair player we so sadly lack.

Unfortunately it's become clear that for whatever reason he simply isn't going to realise that potential with us. I sincerely hope he makes a go of it elsewhere as English centres with pace and attacking flair are few and far between.

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Quote: Kosh "I've always liked him, ever since he first came into the first team. I've defended him to the hilt on here, probably way beyond where it was sensible, because IMO he showed the potential to become exactly the sort of flair player we so sadly lack.

Unfortunately it's become clear that for whatever reason he simply isn't going to realise that potential with us. I sincerely hope he makes a go of it elsewhere as English centres with pace and attacking flair are few and far between.'"


Amen to that Kosh

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I think every supporter wants every player to do well if they are playing for their team. Craig has not made the grade for us unfortunately and whether that is down to Craig not having the ability to step up or down to the coaching is something that will be found out in due course.
Good luck to him wherever he goes, you can see he wants to do well and i hope he gets another chance elsewhere.

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Quote: Big Dave T "Hally will be better leaving here, cant help that think it's not the team he plays for it's the standard of the opposition that may be a problem. He needs a season in NL1.'"


I think thats why the Leeds and Saints players coming through their youth set ups seem to fair better and make to SL level as they are always seemingly farming their up and coming stars out to other clubs to gain experience at the highest level possible rather than playing them in the youth teams.

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Quote: Kosh "I've always liked him, ever since he first came into the first team. I've defended him to the hilt on here, probably way beyond where it was sensible, because IMO he showed the potential to become exactly the sort of flair player we so sadly lack.

Unfortunately it's become clear that for whatever reason he simply isn't going to realise that potential with us. I sincerely hope he makes a go of it elsewhere as English centres with pace and attacking flair are few and far between.'"



I agree with just about all of that but I do think his pace is actually short of what it should be for his height and frame. He's by no means slow, fat from it. But I really think his physique should = blistering!

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Quote: Chris71 "I think thats why the Leeds and Saints players coming through their youth set ups seem to fair better and make to SL level as they are always seemingly farming their up and coming stars out to other clubs to gain experience at the highest level possible rather than playing them in the youth teams.'"


That's a good point.

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If you're talking about natural attacking rugby league ability, then Craig Hall is better than any centre currently playing for either Hull club, but unfortunately his deficiencies at this moment in time far outweigh the positives he brings to a team. where he needs to go to get better I don't know. He does need to get away from Hull and Agar though.

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