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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Or are you going to say that 7th, 9th & 9th with a far weaker squad is a worse result than 12th with a superior squad?? Did I say anything about being worse? No. And you've spectacularly missed the point.

McDermott looked like the worst coach in SL during the last couple of years at London and many questioned the sanity of appointing him at Leeds. And yet his results speak for themselves.

He also speaks highly of Radford. Does that make him deluded?

It's never just the coach or just the squad.

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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club. Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you. "Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005:



Quote: Kosh "Did I say anything about being worse? No. And you've spectacularly missed the point.

McDermott looked like the worst coach in SL during the last couple of years at London and many questioned the sanity of appointing him at Leeds. And yet his results speak for themselves.

He also speaks highly of Radford. Does that make him deluded?


It's never just the coach or just the squad.'"


Also,there is a seasonal thread on the Leeds board about him getting sacked.

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You said with reference to McDermott "A coach who failed just as badly as Radford during his time at London"
It is YOU that made the miscomparison, McDermott has gone onto greater things...and Radford won't..
Clearly you didn't even understand what you'd written yourself by trying to compare the two when they aren't comparable at all, BM showed understanding of RL and coaching from early on and did well with a poor London squad...Radford..well, he's failed epically with a decent squad and plenty of backing from the the owner and a rock solid foundation.
So, actually it's you that missed the point.... icon_lol.gif

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Quote: fc baldy "Also,there is a seasonal thread on the Leeds board about him getting sacked.'"


No there isn't, it's one long running old thread on the Leeds board and if you read more than the title you will see the general opinion of the most successful coach in Leeds history.

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“We will not accept a top eight finish as a barometer of supposed success at any point in the future whilst I am the owner of this club. Thats why you got the Bullet Agar...Adam Pearson wants winners...not useless gits like you. "Rugby League is a simple game played by simple people. Rugby Union is a complex game played by wankers." L.Daley 2005:



Quote: Tony Soprano "No there isn't, it's one long running old thread on the Leeds board and if you read more than the title you will see the general opinion of the most successful coach in Leeds history.'"


I just saw the title and read a couple of posts.Im more botherd about what my team are upto than Leeds tbh.

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Quote: fc baldy "I just saw the title and read a couple of posts.Im more botherd about what my team are upto than Leeds tbh.'"


is the correct answer a014.gif

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Quote: fc baldy "I just saw the title and read a couple of posts.Im more botherd about what my team are upto than Leeds tbh.'"


So you comment on a topic without knowing what you are commenting about, about a team that you are not really interested in. Why did you bother?

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "You said with reference to McDermott "A coach who failed just as badly as Radford during his time at London"
It is YOU that made the miscomparison, McDermott has gone onto greater things...and Radford won't..
Clearly you didn't even understand what you'd written yourself by trying to compare the two when they aren't comparable at all, BM showed understanding of RL and coaching from early on and did well with a mickey poor London squad...Radford..well, he's failed epically with a decent squad and plenty of backing from the the owner and a rock solid foundation.
So, actually it's you that missed the point.... *Sigh*

There is no 'miscomparison' (sic). Two coaches in their first jobs struggling and looking out of their depth. One transferred to a club with an already established culture of success and he blossoms into greatness. The point being that no coach operates in a vacuum and there are limits to what can be achieved if the squad and culture aren't right.

Radford may or may not go on to greater things. Personally I have my doubts but McDermott rates him so who knows? But if you don't think he's currently facing some of the same issues that McDermott had at London then you aren't paying attention.

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Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Radford..well, he's failed epically with a decent squad and plenty of backing from the the owner and a rock solid foundation.'"


Radford's first senior game in charge of Hull was the game after Hull had lost an intense play off game 18-76. If that's a decent squad and a solid foundation I'm glad you didn't build my house icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Staffs FC "Radford's first senior game in charge of Hull was the game after Hull had lost an intense play off game 18-76. If that's a decent squad and a solid foundation I'm glad you didn't build my house It is easy to pick 1 result out of a full season. Everyone harps back to that one game, a team that had a decent defence for the season, suddenly threw in a defensive performance like that.
However we are led to believe that Radford was behind the defense last season, yet somehow he escapes criticism for that defensive display.

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Quote: hullbg "It is easy to pick 1 result out of a full season. Everyone harps back to that one game, a team that had a decent defence for the season, suddenly threw in a defensive performance like that.
However we are led to believe that Radford was behind the defense last season, yet somehow he escapes criticism for that defensive display.'"


I picked out the last game before Radford took over which seemed reasonable if we were debating the 'firm foundations' that he was supposed to have inherited. My criticism for that game lies firmly with the players, but many who bag Radford as coach seem to think that players are nothing to do with the whole equation. What it did show, as did several poor defeats last season, is that the club has had ingrained issues for years and years, and that Gentle hadn't fixed them. Just like Agar didn't or Sharp before him.

Our demise is complex, but what I would say is that it has also without any doubt whatsoever coincided with a general lowering of the standard of players at the club since 2005. People talk about this squad as being a top 4 or even top 6 squad. This season proves that they are not. When the players that played 2000-2005 are listed out, the likes of Kearney, Swain, Barnett, Prescott, Smith, Best, McMenemy, Cooke and alike, they're all MILES better than most of the current incumbents in their positions. I'm not sure that fans at Hull can actually remember what it's like to have real quality players playing for us any more. Average players are overstated in their ability too often and absolved of any blame. Radford may well fail like his three previous predecessors, but the club has to rebuild the playing squad to a level that can win things. Anyone who thinks this season's squad could ever be coached to success and that changing the coach is a simple answer is, to use a favourite term on here, deluded.

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Quote: Staffs FC "I picked out the last game before Radford took over which seemed reasonable if we were debating the 'firm foundations' that he was supposed to have inherited. My criticism for that game lies firmly with the players, but many who bag Radford as coach seem to think that players are nothing to do with the whole equation. What it did show, as did several poor defeats last season, is that the club has had ingrained issues for years and years, and that Gentle hadn't fixed them. Just like Agar didn't or Sharp before him.

Our demise is complex, but what I would say is that it has also without any doubt whatsoever coincided with a general lowering of the standard of players at the club since 2005. People talk about this squad as being a top 4 or even top 6 squad. This season proves that they are not. When the players that played 2000-2005 are listed out, the likes of Kearney, Swain, Barnett, Prescott, Smith, Best, McMenemy, Cooke and alike, they're all MILES better than most of the current incumbents in their positions. I'm not sure that fans at Hull can actually remember what it's like to have real quality players playing for us any more. Average players are overstated in their ability too often and absolved of any blame. Radford may well fail like his three previous predecessors, but the club has to rebuild the playing squad to a level that can win things. Anyone who thinks this season's squad could ever be coached to success and that changing the coach is a simple answer is, to use a favourite term on here, deluded.'"


Yet our coach says "This squad stands up to a lot of the elite teams in the competition."

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Quote: hullbg "Yet our coach says "This squad stands up to a lot of the elite teams in the competition."'"


It has done in the last 2 home games - even with Radford coaching it. Where it falls down is it can't perform to a high enough standard on a consistent basis. Didn't Gentle's team get hammered at Widnes ?

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Quote: Staffs FC "It has done in the last 2 home games - even with Radford coaching it. Where it falls down is it can't perform to a high enough standard on a consistent basis. Didn't Gentle's team get hammered at Widnes ?'"


You think we played played well in those 2 games? (Serious question)
Last year lost 36-16 at Widnes and won 72-10 and in 2012 won 58-10 at home and lost 42-16 away.

It is easy to pick out a game here and a game there, but overall we were in much better shape under Gentle IMO. Our seasons at least had longevity, yet this season was effectively over with the cup defeat to Salford.
Our current coach stated the team was good enough to compete yet it has failed to do that. It isn't like he was an outsider coming into something new, he knew who was here and how they trained/played etc.
I don't want to go over the same things over and over again as it gets boring, the same arguments for and against are being repeated on a daily basis.

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Quote: hullbg "You think we played played well in those 2 games? (Serious question)'"


Yes I think we played pretty well without being outstanding. I've never been one to play down victories against the top sides. We threw away the win against Cas although we were undone by some flare that we ourselves don't have. Against Saints we defended well and were worthy winners. In both games our defence was excellent as it has been for 70-80% of games. More structure and flare in attack would have improved the performances. But neither the draw nor the win were flukes.

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