He was a great coach karl as we all know,and like he said that was without any cash,was very interesting listening to him,knocker 25grand and he says thats who attracted the great players to the club,he also speaks very highly of agar,but then again he may of just been filling me with shi-.

Hopefully that one will come up on Iplayer tomorrow. Arthur was the first coach i really remember and he was idolised by me and to be fair the majority of our supporters.

Gazza spoke very highly of Roal Moat

You really can't see how poor of a coach he is, you need to put your personal feelings aside and look at the good of the club and want you want to see

We pay good money and travel in thousands to support i want to see effort and commitment to start with which we mostly do, however that seemed lacking on Saturday

I don't expect to have a divine right to win every week, but i want to see some exciting rugby that entertains me and thousands other, these are full time athletes and coaches knocker and co used to do it in there spare time after a day down the pit

He was thrown in at the deep end by the club when clearly not ready but was never worth another 2 years that is just plain crazy and even you must see that

Ive said on numerous occasions that he was given the 2 year deal to early,but thats down to rule and the board,like agar said after signing if he fails he will walk,maybe he classes been 4th in the league as a success.

You are james rule

Improvment in terms of postion Yes for now

Improvment in terms of the quality of rugby. Hell no

Has Rich Agar improved anyones playing ability since he took control???

The opposition's most weeks

I'm not an Agar fan but yes he has. Briscoe, Whiting, Houghton and Tickle have all improved under him as also has Moa from last season.

A few have not such as Hall, Horne, Burnett and Washy.

He also had the forsight to bring in people like Tansey and Turner not to mention Fitz and Ogre.

I think we do need a change of coach and I have stodd by this for a while that said he has improved our league position and he has recruited well. However the rugby has not improved that much although not having Horne/Long playing together does not help that.

He has my support but I feel we need a better coach to take us forward to next level, that said he does not deserve the slagging he is getting on here. Why have the players not taking the same slagging, afterall it was their pityful performance that cost us on Saturday.

Fair analysis.

As I have said before now that the team is nearer the top of the table the critics have shifted to the brand of rugby on offer to gain their Agar pound of flesh instead of last year's slagging based upon league position. I'm not saying that they don't have a point regarding the performance level and attractiveness of play because they do, but credit should be given for the obvious improvement made. Unfortunately for some giving out credit to the club they support is an alien phenomenon. At the start of the season many said that they would settle for top 6 as a good improvement in what was never going to be a one season change from cellar dwellers to champions. Now we're there or thereabouts some are moving the goalposts. Like I say it's far from perfect but for some 4th position appears to be uncomfortably high.



It appears to be a fine line between criticising players and being told that you are "just looking for someone to blame" and it's "fooking laughable".

If we were at the bottom RA would be attacked for one thing , as we are STILL sat in 4th its his style that gets attacked!!
I can tell you this no one is more disapointed than RA at the display at Wakfield however a season is one game at a time, and there are 6 left before the playoffs so lets back the team as best as possible and then carry out the post mortem as the club will do itself at the end of our season when ever it may be!!

From a personal point of view i think there was a smidge of the crusaders game going on at Wakefield, we expected to win hence we didnt turn up for the game.. Thursday will be different
One match at a time with 6 to go so lets give our full support and push em on to a decent playoff spot

It's not just the Wakey game mate. I'd hope that Agar is seriously disappointed in general with our lack of passing ability, lack of creative ability, lack of a kicking game, lack of defensive linespeed etc and those problems are still there week after week. Sadly i dont think he sees us as having issues in those areas which is where the problem starts.

It's not just the game at the weekend or the Crusaders fixture though is it. There was the shambles against Quins at Murryfield and the non performance at Salford, plus a capitulation away at Huddersfield and we couldn't even muster anything against the Rhinos 2 weeks running (one a challenge cup tie at home!). There have been way to many very poor performances this season just to dismiss them so easily as you have IMO.

no you misunderstand me, i suffered exactly the same watching those matches you mentioned HOWEVER remember the minnows have upset almost every big side this year at some point or other, but i agree the last showing was painful to watch, but lets at this late stage in the season back the lads for 6 more games and the playoffs and then do the post mortem

this season's post mortem started last September for some.

that's what happens at most clubs.apart from hull fc that is.....

We seem to have drifted away from the topic of the thread but there you go.

There's no doubt that as a side we're playing dour, unattractive rugby with many of the players not living up to expectations and previous form. But we're not sitting fourth in the table due to a fluke. I'm as frustrated as anyone at the poor execution of what should be basic skills for these fulltime professionals. Our hands are tied with the injuries we find ourselves with, once again. Our coach makes mystifying decisions on who he has in his first 13, on the bench and how he manages his substitutions. But even after all that, we are fourth in the table. I would much rather see us win badly than not at all.