Go back to the videos of last season. Briscoe was at fault for more tries than Will Sharp in terms of errors. People just refuse to see the huge flaws in Toms game.

He is a very good rugby player and has huge potential but since everyone has, as usual, overrated a young players game he has not kicked on sufficiently. He isn't, and very likely will never be, world class.

Mcgoldric
Sharp
Horne
Seymor
Pitts
Watts

Are all not good enough to be regulars for a team with top 6 ambitions

Rubbish, Watts will be in the 17 next year and Pitts will be a great squad player. Horne and Mcgoldrick can stay for me as back up but not starting 17 players.

Agree about Seymour.

I'd use all of them as squad/back up players, I just don't think any of them are good enough to be in the 17

Have you been watching Watts? From what I've seen he has a great drive forward and a good offload. Good player coming off the bench!

I have and he still has lots to work on. Still gives away silly penalties and misses tackles on smaller quicker players. He also seems to lose the collision a lot, get turned in the tackle and get a slow play the ball.

I'd say it's more that he deliberately turns in the tackle to look to offload the ball, and losing the collision is the price of this. The key is to get players to follow him in and exploit it, thus cutting out the resulting slow PTB. We don't need all of our props to be looking for the floor every time, the variety will do us good. IMO he's been our best mid-season signing and well worth a place next year on current form.

Turner, FFS pull a sickie and sit at home till September, i have to say i thought he looked real quality for three or four games then he went back to his old self... for someone who came with such hope his defence is shocking and in a fitter squad i am sure he would not feature!!!

Horne.. Good cover utility player but not a first pick any more by a mile..

Westerman ... Sorry just dont see anything in him at all,poor mans danny tickle for me and for anyone to say he is a future captain is just nuts!! another big 2nd rower who doesnt do his hype justice.

absolutely spot on , and in reality he is still just a young kid...
years of class to come from him IMO

It is his fault that he's been hyped and paid for by a big fee?

Think you've hit one of the problems on head there, but not in the way you've described. He is not a big 2nd rower. According to the FC website he is a full stone lighter than Tickle and 2 lighter than Manu despite being taller than both. That's why he looks like a poor man's Danny Tickle when trying to play the same barge- role. We need to get more out of his footwork and hands than brute force IMO.

Careful. Don't challenge Voodooroo Bennett on the technicalities of Rugby League. It's not a battle you're likely to win.

That could be a very valid point and I accept what your saying , he is most certainly not a tough guy smash and barge type 2nd rower but i am certainly not seeing the ball handling loose forward style some say he has in his armoury and feel if he has this sort of skills then its time we utilised it as he isnt an impact player is he

Please stay on topic and dont try to derail the thread. thank you

sorry doubled post accidentally