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| Quote: R.B.A "Common sense prevails. Great news for rugby league, particularly grass roots, in this city.
The almost universal support from Hull FC fans for Rovers cause has been heartening. You aren't a bad lot really.'"
Good news for the city,despite supporting Hull, through my job I know alot of young players who have come through the ranks at both clubs, a white pathway for the good of the game.
Generally I think all fans and players have been United, my only disappointment is the comments by a few Rovers fans against the club, particularly Wilsom and Pearson, not really sure what they could do and if they went against the RFL it could cost the club in the long term, some Rovers fans claiming that the other way around Rovers would support Hull, which is absolute nonsense, like Hull there priority is their club.
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| Quote: Dave K. "Good news for the city,despite supporting Hull, through my job I know alot of young players who have come through the ranks at both clubs, a white pathway for the good of the game.
Generally I think all fans and players have been United, my only disappointment is the comments by a few Rovers fans against the club, particularly Wilsom and Pearson, not really sure what they could do and if they went against the RFL it could cost the club in the long term, some Rovers fans claiming that the other way around Rovers would support Hull, which is absolute nonsense, like Hull there priority is their club.'"
As a Rovers fan I would have backed Hull to the hilt if the roles were reversed. Never for one minute did I want Rovers to take Hulls spot. I want as many kids in this City to have the opportunity to live their dreams.
Chris Chester and Gary Hetherington both spoke up against the decisions so I'm not sure why Pearson and Wilson couldn't (ok, we do know why really). Im certain that Neil Hudgell would have spoken out in support of Hull. He may be a pantomime villain to you guys but he understands Rugby League in this city and what it means to people. John Bastian has stated publicly that he would have been straight on the phone to Danny Wilson offering him his support.
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| Quote: R.B.A "As a Rovers fan I would have backed Hull to the hilt if the roles were reversed. Never for one minute did I want Rovers to take Hulls spot. I want as many kids in this City to have the opportunity to live their dreams.
Chris Chester and Gary Hetherington both spoke up against the decisions so I'm not sure why Pearson and Wilson couldn't (ok, we do know why really). Im certain that Neil Hudgell would have spoken out in support of Hull. He may be a pantomime villain to you guys but he understands Rugby League in this city and what it means to people. John Bastian has stated publicly that he would have been straight on the phone to Danny Wilson offering him his support.'"
Completely agree with that and the RFL should never have put the three Clubs through what they have. I'm not surprised that Hull haven't commented because the Club comments on very little at present, perhaps that denotes the calm before the storm!
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| Quote: R.B.A "As a Rovers fan I would have backed Hull to the hilt if the roles were reversed. Never for one minute did I want Rovers to take Hulls spot. I want as many kids in this City to have the opportunity to live their dreams.
Chris Chester and Gary Hetherington both spoke up against the decisions so I'm not sure why Pearson and Wilson couldn't (ok, we do know why really). Im certain that Neil Hudgell would have spoken out in support of Hull. He may be a pantomime villain to you guys but he understands Rugby League in this city and what it means to people. John Bastian has stated publicly that he would have been straight on the phone to Danny Wilson offering him his support.'"
NH 100% would not have, Bastian maybe, but it's easy to say in this situation, potentially they are risking their own clubs academy and their jobs if the RFL are set on only one academy in a city.
Hopefully the RFL will see sense and Rovers will improve their bid on the next two years to allow two elite academy in the city.
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| Quote: Dave K. "NH 100% would not have, Bastian maybe, but it's easy to say in this situation, potentially they are risking their own clubs academy and their jobs if the RFL are set on only one academy in a city.
Hopefully the RFL will see sense and Rovers will improve their bid on the next two years to allow two elite academy in the city.'"
Agreed, sanctimonious claptrap. Plenty quick enough to ditch Rovers academy for better ones in the west when it suited.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Agreed, sanctimonious claptrap. Plenty quick enough to ditch Rovers academy for better ones in the west when it suited.'"
You couldn't be more wrong. Some people just want was is best for the kids in this city. 2 well run Academies means more opportunities.
I'm not sure of any that headed West instead of going to Rovers (or Hull for that matter). Quite a few did during the COHA days. Hopefully that drain will halt now and the lads will choose Hull or Rovers.
I think that perhaps sometimes you should look at the bigger picture and what's good for our sport and youngsters rather than just looking at your own team and trying to score points.
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| Quote: R.B.A "You couldn't be more wrong. Some people just want was is best for the kids in this city. 2 well run Academies means more opportunities.
I'm not sure of any that headed West instead of going to Rovers (or Hull for that matter). Quite a few did during the COHA days. Hopefully that drain will halt now and the lads will choose Hull or Rovers.
I think that perhaps sometimes you should look at the bigger picture and what's good for our sport and youngsters rather than just looking at your own team and trying to score points.'"
It's not about point scoring. We've had 2 academies, a joint academy, 2 academies and if the primary objective of professional academies is to produce a pipeline of high quality SL players it's not worked, has it? The reality is neither will be an elite academy because the talent will be split/diluted across each, which was why the RFL wanted only 1 on Hull in their recommendation. Of course there are nice benefits in having more players involved but you've been going on about this since promising Kristian Bell would be climbing the steps at Wembley and here we are 15 years later or something and neither side has really delivered. I can see why the RFL were wanting to do something different. Don't lecture me about not wanting what's good for the sport. There are different perspectives, some informed by parochialism, some less so. Understanding the original rationale is important.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "It's not about point scoring. We've had 2 academies, a joint academy, 2 academies and if the primary objective of professional academies is to produce a pipeline of high quality SL players it's not worked, has it? The reality is neither will be an elite academy because the talent will be split/diluted across each, which was why the RFL wanted only 1 on Hull in their recommendation. Of course there are nice benefits in having more players involved but you've been going on about this since promising Kristian Bell would be climbing the steps at Wembley and here we are 15 years later or something and neither side has really delivered. I can see why the RFL were wanting to do something different. Don't lecture me about not wanting what's good for the sport. There are different perspectives, some informed by parochialism, some less so. Understanding the original rationale is important.'"
I make no apology for showing belief in young players, even if it potentially means being mis-quoted a decade down the line.
In the last Yorkshire Youth finals day before Covid hit, 7 of the finalists were from Hull. 7!
Participation in our City is up by over 40% on the back of work done by Hull, Rovers and Hull and District.
I see no reason why if everybody works together we can't drive participation up further, give more kids final experience that will stay with them for a lifetime and ultimately produce first team players for both of our clubs.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm unrealistic but I'll be doing my bit to try make it happen.
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| I've seen a few posts from Rovers fans still claiming we only got choosen because of bias, some idiots even claiming that because of two results (Cas under 18's and Rovers under 16's) we shouldn't have been picked. So far this season we have played the following games
Academy 4 games
one under 16's and under 17's game
One college game.
Rovers have played one game against us at under 16's.
Do Rovers even run a under 17's or run a college team?
Maybe just maybe our academy is better run, both presently and historically and were rightly awarded an elite licences if one has to be chosen from the city (Which I think is wrong).
Be intrested to read the thoughts of RBA or other Rovers fans on this.
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| Quote: R.B.A "Participation in our City is up by over 40% on the back of work done by Hull, Rovers and Hull and District.'"
A cynic might argue, that it's due, in part, to only one academy in the city creaming off the talent until recently.?
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| As I’ve said before, more FC academy graduates have appeared in Rovers first team than there own, over the last few years.
The academy decision was taken after gathering a lot of evidence. We just need to keep doing what we’re doing . There’s a reason we were picked over other clubs.
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| Quote: Dave K. "I've seen a few posts from Rovers fans still claiming we only got choosen because of bias, some idiots even claiming that because of two results (Cas under 18's and Rovers under 16's) we shouldn't have been picked. So far this season we have played the following games
Academy 4 games
one under 16's and under 17's game
One college game.
Rovers have played one game against us at under 16's.
Do Rovers even run a under 17's or run a college team?
Maybe just maybe our academy is better run, both presently and historically and were rightly awarded an elite licences if one has to be chosen from the city (Which I think is wrong).
Be intrested to read the thoughts of RBA or other Rovers fans on this.'"
Yes I would be too. Our U19s are playing tonight. Would be interesting to see which clubs field sides in which age groups.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Yes I would be too. Our U19s are playing tonight. Would be interesting to see which clubs field sides in which age groups.'"
Won 24-16 after being 24-0 up early in the second half.
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| Quote: Dave K. "
Be intrested to read the thoughts of RBA or other Rovers fans on this.'"
Hello.
I think there are two sides of the process that can be looked at.
Firstly the analysis and the performance/selection criteria. Were these established in advance of the analysis and at least checked by a qualified statistician? The panel consisted of an Air Commodore, Sport England’s strategic lead for talent and performance and four RFL representatives. I’ve just stalked the second of those, Duncan Truswell, on LinkedIn and he has a BS in Economics and Politics, so it isn’t implausible that it was done properly and both he Dean Andrew said they believed the process was robust and rigorous. From the bits and pieces I’ve seen, I’d have some questions I’d like to ask - but maybe it is kinder and a better use of everybody’s time if we move on. My point really is if it was done well, then the second ‘political’ element is easier to support. And it was always going to be a political decision to some degree, inevitably. If they didn’t precisely predefine their criteria or consider weighting across the follow-up period etc., then having a Hull fan chair a panel that denies Rovers a licence (especially when two remained open) [ilooks[/i bad. Which doesn’t necessarily mean it is bad - I’m not questioning anybody’s integrity. I think the panel as a whole was… naive, perhaps? Maybe in not publishing their methods, results and full interpretation, if it was robust, or at least in the somewhat crass messaging and communication.
Weirdly, Rovers academy might ultimately have been saved by shortcomings in the process. It’s not like better analysis would have made our numbers look much better and we may not have met properly defined criteria. Despite the outrage, if the RFL had a proper defence they should have mounted it before resorting to Rimmer’s Random Word Salad in that Sky interview.
Quote: Dave K. "We just need to keep doing what we’re doing.'"
I initially wrote a sarcastic ‘I hope you do’ type of response to this.
What I really hope is that all clubs reflect a bit more about what is and is not working for them and young local players, then maybe conduct some robust and rigorous analyses of their own with a view to considering some different approaches and testing new ideas. It’s an expensive do running an academy and neither Rovers nor Hull have had fantastic vfm in recent years. Both clubs need to do better - they shouldn’t just be a feel-good thing. I get the symbolism of Rovers’ academy beating Hull’s in these circumstances - but that isn’t the point of it. The success of those groups, as groups, should be judged in 5 to 10 years from now.
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