No not at all Jake , just wondering if a top six finish would make you agree this year had been a sucess or not or are we as a club only sucessful if we win a trophy?? I know many believe it is our right above all other clubs to win something every year minus the squad building etc etc

Oh by the way with regards last nights match , here something for you to remind you of recent comments you made in your less than happy states ..

I'd also like to know where they expect to be at the end of his contract in playing terms and what we can expect in the intervening period.

agar is a poor coach. Anyone can see that.

but even when we've had a decent side out we've been poor most of the time

The only point he's proven is that he can scrape wins against the whipping boys, lose to mid table sides and cop hammerings when we play anyone decent.

Hows that humble pie taste Jake??
Ps thats a bit of fun

Na west mate was in line with tickle when he kicked the goal jumped so high i nearly landed in the row in front of me when it went over aswell.

Lets put it another way, if I had been given a better than average team & taken 2 years as a manager to bring them to hit rock bottom & thus failing miserably as a company & at the same time making constant errors & bemoaning the staff around me weren't ones I had employed as an excuse I would be laughed at by my chief exec/directors & told to go forth & multiply & pick my P45 up on the way out!

Whilst sport & team games in particular can be anomolous to this situation it is fair to say a better coach/man manager would have given us better results over the last 2 years. This in turn would have given us a much better playing platform to be successful.
Would I consider a play-off place a success? Actually no i wouldn't, an improvement on the previous years yes but not success.
Ultimately you are judged by your peers on the silverware you win, that is why we hate Leeds & Saints of recent times & Wigan before them.

Agar has had to learn the role of a SL coach of a big team(in terms of support at least) but having been under Kear & Sharpe I also doubt his ability to take himself & the club to another level.

Agree with most of that.

There's no doubt in my mind that there are a number of other coaches out there who could have given us far better results in the past two seasons, even the staunchest Agar backer would struggle to argue that had we appointed Foulkes at the time we appointed Agar we wouldn't have had better results.

It frustrates me that a lot of people would view getting a playoff spot of any kind this year as success, this way of thinking only comes about because Agar has set the bar so appallingly low in his tenure so far.

History will judge the first two and a half years of Agar's tenure, whether people like you and me are completely right in our thinking about the man or if it has been a painful but necessary period of overhaul and rebuilding in order to achieve long-term consistent success. One thing is for certain though, it will take a lot more than a (admittedly hugely impressive) comeback win over Saints to prove anything.

Even I wouldn't say we have to win (or even get to) the Grand Final in order for this season to be considered a success, finishing in the top six and winning at least two playoff games would be enough for me to review my opinion about Agar until the next season at least.

To be fair he couldn't do much fo his first half as he was stuck with the s**t players and the league season was over by then, we still got to wembley this year and wasn't far off beating Saints in that game.

The nest year, he couldnt do the recruitment as it was too late in his appointment to bring in his own players, also losing Crocker was a massive blow, omagine not having Fitz this year, we would have lost a couple more of games IMO.

This year his recrutment has been excellent, the best since I have been a Hull fan, he is the first coach to hightlight our main weak spots and bring in quality players to fill these gaps.

Without Long at times we have looked poor, but take out Sinfield, Brown, Orford, Dobson, Briers and O Loughlin and those teams would struggle in certain games.

Losing away to poor sides like Crusanders and Salford wasnt good but Agar and the team seem to have got this right since beating Les Cats and Cas, both quite comfy

There is no doubt that Agar has had issues with tactics, team selection and subs, but this has been slowly improving.

We are 4th in the league, despite putting in some poor perforamances (The players must take a lot of the reponsibility for these aswell as Agar).

Far play to Agar proving me wrong so far this year, long may it contiunue.

I top 6th finish and good account in the play offs will see my happy with Agar and the team, and with some basic recruiting for next season should see us improve next year.

Directors box

The club has everything in place to be the best club in SL except the coach

Jesus...cant believe im going to agree with you but you are smack on the money with that one peggy old bean.

I would love to see Agar prove us all wrong....yes he got the changes right v Sts and the 2nd half was superb......but still think if we had a Maguire,Smith or a Brown...we would be higher and more consistent.

Yep, for all that his supporters talk about giving him a chance or how he's learning on the job and improving etc, the fact remains he's simply not the best man for the job.