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Quote: Rock God X "Any news on Manu yet? Getting a new puppy soon and I wanted to call it Willie, but there's no point if he's leaving.'"

Oh come on, you know full well you're going to call it Rich. icon_wink.gif

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Chase would be a ing class signing. Would take us to the next level.

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Quote: east hull FC fan "Any news on Manu yet? Getting a new puppy soon and I wanted to call it Willie, but there's no point if he's leaving.'"

Oh come on, you know full well you're going to call it Rich. I probably would have done, but our 8-year-old Lab is called Richie after Mr Barnett. He always gets called 'Rich' these days anyway, so another one would be quite confusing.

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Quote: tommyfromhull "Chase would be a loving class signing. Would take us to the next level.'"

Hmmm...Richie and Rangi...

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Quote: tommyfromhull "Chase would be a loving class signing. Would take us to the next level.'"

Got to agree, Is this a rumour or just, a dream?

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Quote: Cory69 "Got to agree, Is this a rumour or just, a dream?'"

That's the decision you have to make icon_wink.gif

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Quote: tommyfromhull "That's the decision you have to make eusa_think.gif icon_razz.gifRAY: icon_razz.gifRAY:

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Quote: Rock God X "Any news on Manu yet? Getting a new puppy soon and I wanted to call it Willie, but there's no point if he's leaving.'"

I got a puppy last year and his kennel club name is Kearney Manu, we call him Manu for short, hope he stays for the sake of my little dog ... lol

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Quote: east hull FC fan "You don't seem to be able to grasp what I'm saying. I think it's only fair that the England international in question should be able to move freely within SL without constraints (you seem to think I mean fair to everyone, I don't). How on earth is that then 'helpful to the national team'? They don't even come into it!'"


No, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of fair. Here's a definition; free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice. Picking out a particular group of players for different treatment shows bias, and arguably injustice to those excluded. It is not at all 'fair' to the players in question, it's a favourable decision not to apply the rules.

Quote: east hull FC fan "Of course I can see that. Hence why I put in my last post that I'd hope that meant a change in policy fom the RFL on eligibility.'"


I'd agree with a change on eligibility, it's a farce, but your suggestion is simply not an option as far as I'm concerned. Your argument also has no logic to it whatsoever. You're saying you want the RFL to grant dispensation to foreign players as a way to force the RFL's hand on their selection policy. That directly contradicts itself.

Quote: east hull FC fan "It's really not though, is it? It's a pathetic attempt to undermine what I'm saying. In reality it makes you look petulant.'"


Actually, I was pointing out the ridiculousness of what you're saying. You're suggesting changing the non-fed/quota status of a player based upon which international team they play for, so by definition that's exactly the same level of silliness as me doing likewise.

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Quote: carl_spackler "No, you don't seem to be able to grasp the concept of fair. Here's a definition; free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice. Picking out a particular group of players for different treatment shows bias, and arguably injustice to those excluded. It is not at all 'fair' to the players in question, it's a favourable decision not to apply the rules.'"

Is it fair that all England internationals can move freely within SL while Widdop, Reed, Heighington & Chase can't?

Quote: carl_spackler "I'd agree with a change on eligibility, it's a farce, but your suggestion is simply not an option as far as I'm concerned. Your argument also has no logic to it whatsoever. You're saying you want the RFL to grant dispensation to foreign players as a way to force the RFL's hand on their selection policy. That directly contradicts itself.'"

No, I want them to realise the ridiculousness of the situation and change it beforehand.

Quote: carl_spackler "Actually, I was pointing out the ridiculousness of what you're saying. You're suggesting changing the non-fed/quota status of a player based upon which international team they play for, so by definition that's exactly the same level of silliness as me doing likewise.'"

They're not the same at all. I'm suggesting dispensation to a few, you're suggesting re-classifying plenty.

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Quote: east hull FC fan "Is it fair that all England internationals can move freely within SL while Widdop, Reed, Heighington & Chase can't?

No, I want them to realise the ridiculousness of the situation and change it beforehand.

They're not the same at all. I'm suggesting dispensation to a few, you're suggesting re-classifying plenty.'"

At what point do these non fed get dispensation then? Is it only the elite who turn their backs on their country of birth/place they grew up and played their first rugby, because they're not good enough to hold down a place in their own national side or can any player who announces he wants to play for England join in? What about Scottish/Irish/Welsh internationals? CAn they get your special dispensation too? You don't have a msters degree in ambulance chasing by any chance do you?

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Quote: east hull FC fan "Is it fair that all England internationals can move freely within SL while Widdop, Reed, Heighington & Chase can't?'"


For Widdop and Reed, there's [imaybe[/i a case that it's not. For Heighington and Chase, absolutely. For all of them, there are a set of rules in place, and what's FAIR is to apply them to everyone.

Quote: east hull FC fan "No, I want them to realise the ridiculousness of the situation and change it beforehand.'"


So why make a nonsensical suggestion to try and make a strange point, instead of just saying they shouldn't have been picked in the first place?

Quote: east hull FC fan "They're not the same at all. I'm suggesting dispensation to a few, you're suggesting re-classifying plenty.'"


The point I'm making is that I don't think it would be possible to apply to the few you think, it would more likely the plenty. I suspect there'd be legal grounds for players not granted the same dispensation as Chase and Heighington, just because they weren't granted selection by one man. It would be open house again.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "At what point do these non fed get dispensation then? Is it only the elite who turn their backs on their country of birth/place they grew up and played their first rugby, because they're not good enough to hold down a place in their own national side or can any player who announces he wants to play for England join in? What about Scottish/Irish/Welsh internationals? CAn they get your special dispensation too? You don't have a msters degree in ambulance chasing by any chance do you?'"


My point exactly. My way of reading it (I've asked for clarity, but none has been forthcoming) is that easthullfcfan is saying that once a player is actually picked for England, that is the point at which they should be given dispensation. I just couldn't see that not being challenged, it would end up being all those who are eligible, which would be a huge backwards step.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "At what point do these non fed get dispensation then? Is it only the elite who turn their backs on their country of birth/place they grew up and played their first rugby, because they're not good enough to hold down a place in their own national side or can any player who announces he wants to play for England join in? What about Scottish/Irish/Welsh internationals? CAn they get your special dispensation too? You don't have a msters degree in ambulance chasing by any chance do you?'"

England internationals only.
If it was still GB then the question around Scottish/Wales/Irish would be relevant, but as they are now separate and not under RFL control, then no.

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Quote: carl_spackler "For Widdop and Reed, there's [imaybe[/i a case that it's not. For Heighington and Chase, absolutely. For all of them, there are a set of rules in place, and what's FAIR is to apply them to everyone.'"

Why is there maybe a case for Widdop or Reed? That wouldn't be fair.

Quote: carl_spackler "So why make a nonsensical suggestion to try and make a strange point, instead of just saying they shouldn't have been picked in the first place?'"

I have said that, but apparently that wasn't good enough either. Go figure.

Quote: carl_spackler "The point I'm making is that I don't think it would be possible to apply to the few you think, it would more likely the plenty. I suspect there'd be legal grounds for players not granted the same dispensation as Chase and Heighington, just because they weren't granted selection by one man. It would be open house again.'"

Ridiculous eh? But only fair IMO. You can't justify an England international not being afforded the same freedoms because of country of birth.

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