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| Quote: garry brindley "Agar's win % in SL regular season
Are you talking about every game that they have led their teams in SL or last season? I think last season it was 59% for Agar. Can't be bothered to work out Morgan's but assume slightly worse what with Rovers finishing lower in the table having lost one more and drawn a game.
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| Quote: Smiggs "Those percentage's suggest neither coach is anything special. Which they aren't.'"
They also do Morgan a slight disservice by not counting 3 tied games. 52-3-53, is 49.5%.
Our first 2 SL seasons Rovers were 21-1-32. 2009/10 they almost mirrored that at 31/2/21.
edit: Agar's figure is too low as well, I think - even excluding his spell as caretaker in 2006. 48.5% overall, I reckon. |
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| I think that Agar has had a lot to contend with due to the injuries the team have suffered during his reign at the club. Morgan on the other hand has not had the resources and finances at his disposal that Agar has had. I think that this is topic is a non starter due to the above mentioned. Ifs and Buts I know but how well could Hull perform with a fit team for a full season and if Rovers had more cash to spend on players how would they perform. Unfortunatley I dont think this question can be resolved at the mo. Maybe given several more years as SL coaches then the answer people are looking for maybe clearer. This of course is only my opinion and I'm not taking sides but Agar is the Hull Coach and Morgan smells  |
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| Quote: Monko "I think that Agar has had a lot to contend with due to the injuries the team have suffered during his reign at the club. Morgan on the other hand has not had the resources and finances at his disposal that Agar has had. I think that this is topic is a non starter due to the above mentioned. Ifs and Buts I know but how well could Hull perform with a fit team for a full season and if Rovers had more cash to spend on players how would they perform. Unfortunatley I dont think this question can be resolved at the mo. Maybe given several more years as SL coaches then the answer people are looking for maybe clearer. This of course is only my opinion and I'm not taking sides but Agar is the Hull Coach and Morgan smells ![]()
good punchline - made me laugh
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| Quote: downtheante "Are you talking about every game that they have led their teams in SL or last season? I think last season it was 59% for Agar. Can't be bothered to work out Morgan's but assume slightly worse what with Rovers finishing lower in the table having lost one more and drawn a game.'"
Every game they have led their team in SL, the bigger the sample the better.
Quote: downtheante "They also do Morgan a slight disservice by not counting 3 tied games. 52-3-53, is 49.5%.
Our first 2 SL seasons Rovers were 21-1-32. 2009/10 they almost mirrored that at 31/2/21.
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I wasn't doing Morgan a disservice, I quoted win % not 'didn't lose %' .
I didn't include Agar's caretaker spell in 2006 but if I remember right he took over in 2008 after Peter Sharp was sacked following the Harlequins game and went on to get 4 wins from the remaining 13 SL games that season with no draws (from Hull FC Website). In 2009 he won 10 games with no draws and in 2010 he won 16 games with no draws (SL website). If my maths are correct that's 30 wins from 67 games with no draws = 44.77 win %.
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| Quote: garry brindley "Every game they have led their team in SL, the bigger the sample the better.
I wasn't doing Morgan a disservice, I quoted win % not 'didn't lose %' .
I didn't include Agar's caretaker spell in 2006 but if I remember right he took over in 2008 after Peter Sharp was sacked following the Harlequins game and went on to get 4 wins from the remaining 13 SL games that season with no draws (from Hull FC Website). In 2009 he won 10 games with no draws and in 2010 he won 16 games with no draws (SL website). If my maths are correct that's 30 wins from 67 games with no draws
Personally, I think the more recent past is more representative - but your method is certainly one of the ways you would judge someone over their career if they had already retired. Finals attended, play-off games won etc would also be included (not sure the 9s would count though  )
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| Quote: downtheante "Personally, I think the more recent past is more representative - but your method is certainly one of the ways you would judge someone over their career if they had already retired. Finals attended, play-off games won etc would also be included (not sure the 9s would count though ![]()
It's a discussion about who is the better coach overall so I don't see how judging it on last season's performances alone is more representative than looking at their whole SL careers?
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| Quote: garry brindley "It's a discussion about who is the better coach overall so I don't see how judging it on last season's performances alone is more representative than looking at their whole SL careers?'"
Is it just about the coaches?  I thought it was about FC and KR for the coming season |
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| Quote: garry brindley "It's a discussion about who is the better coach overall so I don't see how judging it on last season's performances alone is more representative than looking at their whole SL careers?'"
Personally don't think you can judge it on their SL careers either as Morgans win % in his first year in SL was never going to be that high due to the fact he had a hybrid NL1 club trying to compete in SL. |
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| Quote: barham red "Personally don't think you can judge it on their SL careers either as Morgans win % in his first year in SL was never going to be that high due to the fact he had a hybrid NL1 club trying to compete in SL.'"
Indeed, my point when I posted the win percentages though was that even taking that into account Morgan's record is [istill [/i better than Agar's. It seems to have passed most people by though. |
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| Quote: downtheante "Is it just about the coaches? ![]()
Well the thread OP mentions both, the discussion over the last few pages that I joined in with was quite specifically about Morgan and Agar?
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| Quote: garry brindley "Indeed, my point when I posted the win percentages though was that even taking that into account Morgan's record is [istill [/i better than Agar's. It seems to have passed most people by though.'"
It's 4% or so better. Woot.
And if we're going to play the excuses game, what about Agar having to play a season and a half with Sharp's less than stellar signings?
Fact is that neither coach has a fantastic SL record for a variety of reasons. |
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| Quote: Airlie the Cat "I don't think either coach would get offered one of the top jobs in SL so I don't know why everyone is so bothered.'"
FC IS one of the top jobs!! |
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| Quote: ICECREAMMAN "FC IS one of the top jobs!!'"
At what point where Maguire, Brown and Co fighting to get the job then |
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