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Quote: Dave K. "He makes yards at times and will break the line when the opposition are on the back foot, however once we are in their 20, his weaknesses become apparent, with the position we had yesterday we should have won easier, we wont be a top side with Sneyd at 7 and Shaul at FB, neither are creative enough, we can have one of those and for me Sneyd is more important. Look at the stats, 2 assists, compare him to the likes of Coote, Ratchford etc, he doesn't do what a modern FB needs too.

This season is has looked a bit dodgy under the high ball and was lucky in the 2and half when he let the ball bounce near the line.

Would another coach improve him, I doubt it, he is 28 now and hasnt improved his link up play. I just hope a new coach can see we wont challenge again with these pivots.'"

I agree on some of that, but still think our best team would of been kelly at 6 and shaul fb, if kelly had played last night we’d of been out of sight by ht, how many chances does Connor want at 6, very poor last night I thought

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Quote: MorningGlory23 "I agree on some of that, but still think our best team would of been kelly at 6 and shaul fb, if kelly had played last night we’d of been out of sight by ht, how many chances does Connor want at 6, very poor last night I thought'"


He is the best passing out of him, Sneyd and Shaul,he gets the ball moving out wide fast. Has the most assists of of any player, gets slot of unfair criticism IMO, but he has been better than Sneyd, who seems to escape most criticism.

If we play Shaul, Kelly and Sneyd, we still have the issue that we have to pivots who cant pass.

For me it has to be

Connor
Kelly
Sneyd

I think we must try and keep Kelly or sign a 6 if the club dont think Kelly is value for money. We would then have Wynne and McNamara as backup.

I think Shaul will stay though, I just hope he is picked on form by the new coach, as I don't think this has happened the last few years.

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What other top SL club would sign Shaul, I'm not sure even the likes of Rovers, Hudds or Cas would.

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Quote: Dave K. "What other top SL club would sign Shaul, I'm not sure even the likes of Rovers, Hudds or Cas would.'"


I agree. Not a modern full back unfortunately

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Shaul does some good things. I dont think anyone can deny that. He's quick, he's elusive, he makes good yards from DH. But the primary role of a FB in the modern game is to be a third pivot, and he just doesn't have that in him. I'd like to see him on the wing.

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As I say we see things differently. Thought both sneyd and shaul played well last night. When sneyd has finished playing people will then realise what an important player he was for us. Anyway just a word on cator . Love his work ethic and tenacity. Also fonua improving and just doing the basics well So on to Cas on Sunday. Hopefully have a few fresh faces back esp in the forwards as some properly need spelling

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Quote: Dave K. "He is the best passing out of him, Sneyd and Shaul,he gets the ball moving out wide fast. Has the most assists of of any player, gets slot of unfair criticism IMO, but he has been better than Sneyd, who seems to escape most criticism.

If we play Shaul, Kelly and Sneyd, we still have the issue that we have to pivots who cant pass.

For me it has to be

Connor
Kelly
Sneyd

I think we must try and keep Kelly or sign a 6 if the club dont think Kelly is value for money. We would then have Wynne and McNamara as backup.

I think Shaul will stay though, I just hope he is picked on form by the new coach, as I don't think this has happened the last few years.'"

Let Connor and shaul go, keep kelly and get a fb who as speed and can pass a ball, connors to slow and shaul like you say hasn’t got that passing game a fb needs

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Letting Connor go would be a massive mistake, would thrive if he had a good coach who knows how to get the best out of him.

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Quote: Dave K. "Letting Connor go would be a massive mistake, would thrive if he had a good coach who knows how to get the best out of him.'"

Don’t agree, he’s talented, but lacks in to many areas for me, lack of speed, bad attitude, is lazy, throws to many bad passes, very inconsistent, time for us to move on imo, let him go, annoys me more than excites me these days

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Quote: Mr. Zucchini Head "Shaul does some good things. I dont think anyone can deny that. He's quick, he's elusive, he makes good yards from DH. But the primary role of a FB in the modern game is to be a third pivot, and he just doesn't have that in him. I'd like to see him on the wing.'"


Still think we are missing a trick not playing Shaul at 9.
That would enable the club to move Connor to full back even though i think his best position for the club is at right centre.
I agree we have a problem with no third pivot when Shaul plays full back and that needs to be addressed by the club.

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Quote: Dave K. "He makes yards at times and will break the line when the opposition are on the back foot, however once we are in their 20, his weaknesses become apparent, with the position we had yesterday we should have won easier, we wont be a top side with Sneyd at 7 and Shaul at FB, neither are creative enough, we can have one of those and for me Sneyd is more important. Look at the stats, 2 assists, compare him to the likes of Coote, Ratchford etc, he doesn't do what a modern FB needs too.

This season is has looked a bit dodgy under the high ball and was lucky in the 2and half when he let the ball bounce near the line.

Would another coach improve him, I doubt it, he is 28 now and hasnt improved his link up play. I just hope a new coach can see we wont challenge again with these pivots.'"


At last someone else who can see the limitations of Sneyd.
His kicking from hand last night was poor once again .
He is another whose style slows down our attack.he moves forward with the ball,stops,moves backwards then passes

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I'm not getting the Connor hate.
As someone said he pretty much sets up a large percentage of our try's, he's busy in defence I saw him putting hits on Kenny Edwards all night, his quick passing out wide creates try's, I sometimes wish he d stop the no look pass but he plays on the edge.

If anything were guilty of not using him properly, he's brilliant when he chimes into the line at will from deep

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Thought that it had been posted on here previously that Kelly was leaving Hull FC at the conclusion of the 2020 season on expiration of his contract or was it just speculation?

Also any decision pending for Shaul, Houghton, Ellis and others who have no contracts for 2021? Connor is contracted until end of 2021.

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Quote: MorningGlory23 "Don’t agree, he’s talented, but lacks in to many areas for me, lack of speed, bad attitude, is lazy, throws to many bad passes, very inconsistent, time for us to move on imo, let him go, annoys me more than excites me these days'"


Lazy? What is this based on, I also dont think he has a bad attitude (unless you no different, maybe seen him at training?) He wants to win and has passion, sometimes that might look like a bad attitude, but if others had the same passion as Jake, we would be a lot better.

I'll give you speed, but he isnt slow, he makes breaks and as long we back him up we score.

Passing is miles better than Shaul and Sneyd, ok he makes the odd bad pass, but that's trying to create something. Without him over the last few weeks, we would have won more games.

I really don't get the lazy comment.

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Quote: bonaire "At last someone else who can see the limitations of Sneyd.
His kicking from hand last night was poor once again .
He is another whose style slows down our attack.he moves forward with the ball,stops,moves backwards then passes'"


There is a place for Sneyd as long as you have either a ball playing FB or a really dominant pack.

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