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| I was at the game, I saw us being totally clueless in the first half, and Castleford imploded in the second. 2 points, I agree, is a "good result", but anyone thinking we're any better than useless is deluding themselves.
when I said "useless" I meant "useless on the day", Castleford were well below their recent performances.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Yeah, that's the only form of bullying that exists. I never said radford was a bully BTW'"
So define bullying then. I asked before, and you came up with forum line. I'm going by your definitions here.
I never said to said Radford was a bully either. I want to understand why some people think he's a bully, and I think understanding what some people actually think a bully is would be the best start.
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| Quote: HullFC_1865 "I was at the game, I saw us being totally clueless in the first half, and Castleford imploded in the second. 2 points, I agree, is a "good result", but anyone thinking we're any better than useless is deluding themselves.
when I said "useless" I meant "useless on the day", Castleford were well below their recent performances.'"
Don't be so negative Martin, lighten up.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So define bullying then. I asked before, and you came up with forum line. I'm going by your definitions here.
I never said to said Radford was a bully either. I want to understand why some people think he's a bully, and I think understanding what some people actually think a bully is would be the best start.'"
Dreading going to work because your life is been made miserable by your boss. Not saying that's what's happening. And Im not talking from personnel experience before anyone says ha
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| Quote: Tinkerman23 "Dreading going to work because your life is been made miserable by your boss. Not saying that's what's happening. And Im not talking from personnel experience before anyone says ha'"
That's not bullying.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So define bullying then. .'"
I don't need to define bullying. There are legal definitions out there.
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| difference between hard taskmaster and a bully,
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I don't need to define bullying. There are legal definitions out there.'"
So what's your understanding of the legal definition then? You seem to just want to avoid answering the question!
The term "bully" gets thrown around without consideration to what it actually means. Is Radford really a bully by definition? And if he isn't, why do people keep saying he is? And if he is, where are these examples?
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| imo he isn't ,just suits some on here to have a dig at him
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So what's your understanding of the legal definition then? You seem to just want to avoid answering the question!
The term "bully" gets thrown around without consideration to what it actually means. Is Radford really a bully by definition? And if he isn't, why do people keep saying he is? And if he is, where are these examples?'"
It's a minefield these days as to what actually IS bullying. Things like singling out, undermining someone are all classed as bullying from child at school to adult in work place.. It's a sorry state of affairs that everything is the way it is but that is the way it's looked at as I've had teacher at daughters school explain it and a few "cases" of it in my workplace. We all have an opinion of what we see as bullying (and imo some of reasons these days are borderline embarrassing) but it's the way the rules work now as far as I know.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So what's your understanding of the legal definition then? You seem to just want to avoid answering the question!
The term "bully" gets thrown around without consideration to what it actually means. Is Radford really a bully by definition? And if he isn't, why do people keep saying he is? And if he is, where are these examples?'"
I'm not avoiding anything. If you're that bothered you google it. I spend enough time doing things for people who are either too lazy or too stupid to do it for themselves.
I've not accused anyone of bullying and I have no personal experience of radford to say whether or not he is a bully.
I have no idea why people keep saying he is, perhaps you should ask them rather than me. Likewise I have no examples.
Also, just for the record, I don't know what Friday night's winning lottery numbers are going to be
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| Quote: dundeeblackandwhite "It's a minefield these days as to what actually IS bullying. Things like singling out, undermining someone are all classed as bullying from child at school to adult in work place.. It's a sorry state of affairs that everything is the way it is but that is the way it's looked at as I've had teacher at daughters school explain it and a few "cases" of it in my workplace. We all have an opinion of what we see as bullying (and imo some of reasons these days are borderline embarrassing) but it's the way the rules work now as far as I know.'"
But a lot of what you've just said their isn't actually bullying. Someone sees a one-off incident and cries "bully". A bully or bullying is persistent, and if anyone honestly thinks that Radford would be where he is today if he bullied players then they're either ignorant or naïve.
Too many people think that telling someone to do their job in a way they don't like is bullying. Criticising performance isn't bullying if it's justified. Singling out people if it's persistent and unjustified, but I don't think anyone really thinks that's happened.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "I'm not avoiding anything. If you're that bothered you google it. I spend enough time doing things for people who are either too lazy or too stupid to do it for themselves.
I've not accused anyone of bullying and I have no personal experience of radford to say whether or not he is a bully.
I have no idea why people keep saying he is, perhaps you should ask them rather than me. Likewise I have no examples.
Also, just for the record, I don't know what Friday night's winning lottery numbers are going to be'"
Why so defensive?
I'm not asking you to do anything other than discuss on a discussion board.
You were talking about bullying in the workplace earlier, and what could be classed as bullying. Forgive me for wanting you to clarify your position in regards to a topic you have openly discussed. I didn't think it was akin to asking you to be a fortune teller.
For the record, unless it is persistent and unjustified, criticising a player in public would not be classed as bullying.
Just what is your position then? Based on what you know, do you think he is? You keep telling me what you haven't said.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Why so defensive?
I'm not asking you to do anything other than discuss on a discussion board.
You were talking about bullying in the workplace earlier, and what could be classed as bullying. Forgive me for wanting you to clarify your position in regards to a topic you have openly discussed. I didn't think it was akin to asking you to be a fortune teller.
For the record, unless it is persistent and unjustified, criticising a player in public would not be classed as bullying.
Just what is your position then? Based on what you know, do you think he is? You keep telling me what you haven't said.'"
You've asked me about 3 times to define bullying which I've told you I'm not interested in doing for you as it's irrelevant to what I posted..
I don't have a "position" on radford being a bully or not as I have no direct evidence either way. Some of his criticism of players in the media has been poor IMO and it does beg the question of how individuals are handled in private if that's how they're dealt with in public
My view is that open criticism of an individual in the media could be be classed as bullying dependent upon the severity and if it was allied to other things. Maybe it would fall more easily into other areas of employment law though. Are you an employment law specialist?
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "But a lot of what you've just said their isn't actually bullying. Someone sees a one-off incident and cries "bully". A bully or bullying is persistent, and if anyone honestly thinks that Radford would be where he is today if he bullied players then they're either ignorant or naïve.
Too many people think that telling someone to do their job in a way they don't like is bullying. Criticising performance isn't bullying if it's justified. Singling out people if it's persistent and unjustified, but I don't think anyone really thinks that's happened.'"
I'm not saying I think it is bullying imo, I'm only going of what I've been told from people who work in educating and managers in a workplace as to what they say what is considered bullying. Undermining and singling out, if the person it is aimed at believes it is then it has to be looked into. I'm not saying anyone is saying it is including shaul. I was just saying what I've been told by others that have to deal with that kind of thing.
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