Iam surprised the moderators haven't come to your rescue,I didnt think posters were allowed to disagree with you even when your wrong,as you are in this instance.

The importance you place on my viewpoint is flattering. But the facts remain that a poster has said players currently out injured who'd heal up sharpish in other circumstances casting aspersions on the reality of Thompson and Green's injuries specifically. I find it disappointing that a supporter implies this sort of dishonesty or lack of commitment. Should take a leaf out of your fans' book resolutely defending Bailey against similar IMO.

Sometimes in life people , sportsmen , soldiers , workers , are inspired by a leader to go above and beyond the call of duty , to "run through walls" for that leader etc. Those leaders are generally held up to have better leadership qualities than the rest. It doesn't mean that followers of all others that may be in a leadership role are feckless wasters it just means that they haven't been persuaded to go the extra mile. If that's what Seb is saying then it seems a reasonable point. Whether it's right , who knows. I don't think currently anyone knows why nothing seems to change with us despite changes of ownership , management coaches and players.

Ah, so your main issue with Sebasteeno is that he hasn't just stuck to blind tribalism? He shouldn't ever consider our players to be capable of such a thing, but suggestive hints and leading questions to Rovers fans about their players not wanting to play is absolutely fine.

You have saved me a post,as you've summed it up perfectly.

Exactly. What's happened in this thread is that there are obviously many very unhappy people atm, and one person has said something slightly inflammatory. I personally think that the source it came from has coloured how it's been interpreted, and the reaction has been a bit OTT as a result. Had someone else posted it I think it might have panned out quite differently.

Not at all. Hardly "blind tribalism" to defend players against accusations they're sacking it off when fit to play.

Yet you are happy to wonder where Bailey is

This was all clarified by Chester yesterday, back for Widnes game.

The only poison is coming from you luv with your insinuations

If Paea gets a ban and Watts and Thompson are missing too it could be a long night up front. Bowden, Green, Feka, ?

Again, that's not actually what was said. So at best there you're defending players against a charge you came up with.

But the vehemence with which you've attacked him/his point, and for something that you have essentially been doing to Rovers fans for weeks, has huge double standards attached. I've got a lot of time for you and your posts, but I think you've been very wrong and not a little unfair on this one.

Everyone was surprised by Green and Thompsons injuries - im not saying they are pretending to be injured just highlighted those two as mystery surrounds whats actually wrong with them as they werent injured playing. As for dishonesty im sorry ill mention the Hudds game again. The same game were our current coach managed to oust Gentle so dishonesty runs from the top so why cant it run through the team (where it did at Hudds). Somethings not right with the team as can be plain to see but if want to insinuate that im saying things that im not to try make yourself look holier than thou then feel free

Ellis to prop & Hadley back in the 2nd row, or a debut for Tyson-Wilson perhaps?

If they are all out I'd go:

Ellis
Houghton
Bowden
Hadley
Minichiello
Westerman

Feka
Green
Cunningham
Turgut

I'm hoping at least one of Watts and Thompson are available.