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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Lancaster has just turned 18 and as others have said it's a little early for him to have a starting spot against experienced wingers whose sheer physicality will be too much for him to handle week in week out at this stage of his career. Right now in my opinion Talanoa offers more as an all round player at SL level. That said I'm sure Lancaster will get opportunities, we know Radford isn't afraid to give youngsters their opportunities. Incidentally, very good news that Logan is impressing in training.'"
Not sure I see the 'this stage of his career' argument. What stage were Shaul, Lineham & Crooks at when they became regulars? Having seen Callum develop for a couple of years now I think he's ready.
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| Quote: *1865* "Not sure I see the 'this stage of his career' argument. What stage were Shaul, Lineham & Crooks at when they became regulars? Having seen Callum develop for a couple of years now I think he's ready.'"
Shaul debuted at 20. Lineham had 5 appearances at 19 in 2012, became a regular at 20 in 2013. Crooks debuted at 18/19. On balance, Lancaster is a season or so younger, having turned 18 in October. Radford recognises his potential, evidenced by his selection 5 times at 17. Depending on how they're showing up in training, I'd still go with Talanoa and Lineham initially.
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| Quote: *1865* "I'm sure Radford will see it your way, I just want pace in the backs and I'm worried we'll end up with Talanoa, Sa & Yeaman in the back line. How anyone can have watched SL over the last few years and not seen how important pace is, to me is strange.
Bearing in mind that Talanoa was an ever present, Lancaster in 5 games only had 2 less tries and 4 less clean breaks.'"
to be fair London was a handpicked game for him and widnes were poor on the day as they had cup semi coming up. Tala actually switched sides to accommodate him.
Shaul or naughton - pacy
Lineham - fast as
Sa - powerful n mean
Michaels -fast
Talanoa - incredible strong n hard to handle
For me that's not that bad already. A nice balance of attributes.
Added to the fact we've a decent level of mobility in the pack to.
Callum will get chances anyway. Plenty I'm sure
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| Apologies if mentioned already, but is Michaels more centre than wing or the other way around?
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| Would be great to debate this into the season on the back of numerous wing overlaps having been created 40+ yards out by our new halves/backs. Let's hope that we are.
Think pace becomes more important the more that is created from that range. Talanoa can certainly score from 20 yards in even when one on one with a defender. Lancaster is still a young lad who has already shown some potential but lost his place in the recent academy series. He will come through. If we create loads and Talanoa is persistently hauled down when in the clear where Lancaster's pace would have made the difference then Radford will have to think very hard. As it stands Talanoa's all round game at this stage would see him rightly as first choice in game 1.
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "I partly criticized him earlier in the season because he was making lots of mistakes and positionally he was very much lacking, but I don't recall saying Talanoa was 'turd', (I have said Miller was treated like turd by the club/Radford) please point out my post & i will make a full retraction of the comment but not my earlier criticism which at the time I thought was accurate. and yes he has proven his worth, or do you disagree with that too?
October 12th I said re the signing of Lancaster "I wonder if Lancaster might get the nod over Talanoa, which for me would be a bit sad as he's a tryer that's for sure and shown his worth despite not being the quickest/most talented winger in the competition"'"
This was last week
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "This was last week
Could be wrong but I thought he was referring to Colbon with that comment.
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| Quote: Smiggs "Could be wrong but I thought he was referring to Colbon with that comment.'"
In which case I apologise although I maintain his views on Michaels and Abdull/Pryce are rubbish.
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| Quote: *1865* "I'm sure Radford will see it your way, I just want pace in the backs and I'm worried we'll end up with Talanoa, Sa & Yeaman in the back line. How anyone can have watched SL over the last few years and not seen how important pace is, to me is strange.
Bearing in mind that Talanoa was an ever present, Lancaster in 5 games only had 2 less tries and 4 less clean breaks.'"
But we should also bear in mind that 2 of those games and 5 of those tries came against 2 of the 4 worst defences in SL (including [ithe[/i worst by a country mile).
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| Quote: *1865* "Yet again, another one saying pace is all Lancaster's got. Does anyone watch the 19's?'"
Whilst obviously there is merit in what can be seen in the U19s, I personally think it's still shaky ground to push a youngster's first team claims so strongly. The 19s can tell you who is next in line to be given their chance, but not necessarily how ready they are to take it. If the 19s was the yardstick, Tommy Lee, Craig Hall, and Graeme Horne would all be cornerstones of our team.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "Whilst obviously there is merit in what can be seen in the U19s, I personally think it's still shaky ground to push a youngster's first team claims so strongly. The 19s can tell you who is next in line to be given their chance, but not necessarily how ready they are to take it. If the 19s was the yardstick, Tommy Lee, Craig Hall, and Graeme Horne would all be cornerstones of our team.'"
I was more pointing to the fact that he has more than pace to his game, that he is decent in the air and can make metres. His performance against Warrington, directly up against Monaghan proved he's ready for SL imo.
It's also worth pointing out that Talanoa also played against that opposition, twice!
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| My three quarter line would be
Talanoa
Michaels
Sa
Lineham
a good combination of pace and strength IMO.
With the inevitable injuries Lancaster and others will get their chance.
Also bear in mind that we are only having this debate because we have such strength in depth in this area, which can only be a positive.
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| Quote: *1865* "I was more pointing to the fact that he has more than pace to his game, that he is decent in the air and can make metres. His performance against Warrington, directly up against Monaghan proved he's ready for SL imo.
It's also worth pointing out that Talanoa also played against that opposition, twice!'"
But still, it's a different level of opposition affording players the opportunity to show off their skills. Yes, he might have looked good up against other 19s wingers, but those 3 I mentioned all looked world beaters and couldn't regularly transfer it to the first team. Tommy Lee could carve defences open and kicked well, Graeme Horne looked a handy ball-playing loose forward, but they both struggled to deal with the increased pressure and decreased time on the ball of SL. Lancaster's metre stats initially look great, but they are significantly helped by those 2 games against the poor defences of London and Widnes. Take those out and he actually averages about 5.4 metres, which would make him the lowest of all our 3/4s except Logan (and only Heremaia, Miller and Tyson-Wilson any lower in the entire squad).
Fair enough on the Warrington game, he did well and it's a good sign, but 5 games into a career with only a couple of those against decent opposition is not enough to be putting someone forward as a first choice for me. He needs to prove it over more games and then it's worth looking at properly.
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| Quote: carl_spackler "But still, it's a different level of opposition affording players the opportunity to show off their skills. Yes, he might have looked good up against other 19s wingers, but those 3 I mentioned all looked world beaters and couldn't regularly transfer it to the first team. Tommy Lee could carve defences open and kicked well, Graeme Horne looked a handy ball-playing loose forward, but they both struggled to deal with the increased pressure and decreased time on the ball of SL. Lancaster's metre stats initially look great, but they are significantly helped by those 2 games against the poor defences of London and Widnes. Take those out and he actually averages about 5.4 metres, which would make him the lowest of all our 3/4s except Logan (and only Heremaia, Miller and Tyson-Wilson any lower in the entire squad).
Fair enough on the Warrington game, he did well and it's a good sign, but 5 games into a career with only a couple of those against decent opposition is not enough to be putting someone forward as a first choice for me. He needs to prove it over more games and then it's worth looking at properly.'"
Again, I'll point to the Lineham, Shaul & Crooks comparison. All 3 had a season of only a few appearances then became regulars the next year. I completely understand your reasoning, and don't disagree with what you're saying as such. I just want our back line to be pacey and I personally think Lancaster is ready.
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| Quote: Diogenes "My three quarter line would be
Talanoa
Michaels
Sa
Lineham
a good combination of pace and strength IMO.
With the inevitable injuries Lancaster and others will get their chance.
Also bear in mind that we are only having this debate because we have such strength in depth in this area, which can only be a positive.'"
That has to be the line up surely though ive got a feeling Yeaman will be ahead of Michaels
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