We need a Venn diagram! And possibly some more dimensions of Euclidean space for it.

Saints look to me like they're trying to ride two horses.
Too many faultlines and chances of fracture to be sure of the outcome, so I can't blame them overly.
Interesting times.

What I can't quite get is what Heir Hetherington and the RFL possibly have to gain by forcing the changes through the way they tried when a consultation period had already been agreed.
Surely this chain of events were inevitable considering the way they tried to force the changes.

GH version of the walk out ( sorry if it's already been posted) audioboo.fm/WestYorkshireSport

GH version of the walk out ( sorry if it's already been posted) audioboo.fm/WestYorkshireSport

While I agree that GH, KH and JR (who is married to their daughter ) may have an agenda here, its a moon landing/9/11 style conspiracy to suggest that KH was parachuted into Wakey to help the Hetherington cause and force this through.

My reading of the situation is that it had been agreed to discuss (and vote on) the restructure after the WC and this was to be a run-of-the-mill SL meeting. The powers that be have, however, added the discussion/vote at the last second and suspecting a railroading, some have walked, to make a quorate, binding vote impossible.

Not chucking toys out, just trying to stick with what had previously been agreed. GH seems to be throwing toys though. I wonder why?

GH's version, of course, but...

he says that the 'rebel' clubs firstly want a seat on the RFL board. Not unreasonable, IMO.

They also want control of management of SL. Along with the first, that is pushing it - if we want the sport to remain integrated, which IMO would be better.

And finally, and I suspect crucially, money. He says the rebels want more (I assume than in the proposals rather than compared to now where the SL clubs get virtually all of it anyway). SL Clubs are struggling to get by on current incomes, so it is understandable. Leeds, who can be a dominant force and turn a profit, have an interest in their rivals struggling (to a point), if we're being cynical. But GH can play (and tbf, he may well be sincere) the solidarity card, which perhaps still holds more power, as a propaganda tool if nowt else, in RL than in other sports, for all the complaints about tails wagging dogs.

What is stopping the RFL/GH axis saying 'ok then we will add a review of the RFL to the vote and if it's passed we will take the idea of a review to the EGM and see if the wider pro game agree that it is needed'.
Exactly what are they afraid of? My feeling is that they know that the wider game has no time for the RFL at all and most of it think they are unfit for purpose and so they (The RFL) will be out on their collective ears.

The key point is that the rebel clubs themselves won't be sitting on the board but representive of the SL as a whole will be (Including Leeds).

The RFL have proved they are unable to run SL correctly.

You hit the nail on the head IMHO in that if other clubs become self sufficient whilst being able to run in the same way Leeds do then GH's power is taken away from him.

I think that is true on a couple of levels.

First and most obvious is competence. Change the people, possibly change the result.

The structural, and harder to fix, issue, is the balance of power between the clubs and the governing body. It's too finely balanced in some ways. The RFL can't quite make its mind up whether to lead, mould and 'help' or simply administer. Focussing on basic oversight would be wiser IMO and with proposals to cut their own discretion and increase transparency, they see that, I think. They over reached and want to retreat - but a retreat needs a plan and leadership of a sort or it becomes a rout.
By virtue of the money they tip-in to keep SL a full-time pro sport, the club owners are unarguably more powerful - but they're often at odds with each other so much of it is cancelled out. They're fed up of being told what to do when it is their money, but will always struggle to agree on a path among themselves.

No single constituency or group carries enough weight to deliver a coherent vision, it appears. We'll no doubt stumble to some dog-eared compromise that doesn't really please anyone - but at least it'll probably only be temporary, soon falling apart and giving us another once-in-a-generation opportunity.

For me, it isn't about right and wrong or good vs evil. It's Game of Thrones rather than Star Wars, to use a geek analogy.

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Please be careful MR. Anakin will be after your blood!!

The VT is interesting.
I find it amazing that some cannot see that the actions of the RFL prove the point of the '6' in that how can the RFL be trusted if they can't even be trusted to stick to their own statement (That being to leave it till after the WC) if the opportunity arises to rush a flawed vote through.

I honestly believed we needed a change when THEY agreed the sponsor ship deal with no money in return and also appointing Steve mc as head coach of the national team . What other sporting body would give a nations coaching job to a guy who wasn't even a decent club coach ??

Brian Barwick, when he was FA chief, made some "interesting" appointments.