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| Quote: PAUL M "Are you daft?
The playoffs come in September, we are saying we are the 4th best side right now as we are 4th, come the playoffs we might be 6th, so then we will be saying we are the 6th best side.
Get it!!'"
 wasting your time paul.
4th in the league means we are the 4th best team,the table doesnt lie,teh teams above are much better and more consistent,some people just want us to fail so agar gets the bullet,simple as.
heres one for ye mate.
we won 4 games on the spin,i never recieved one text saying how well we have played or giving agar or the coaching staff any credit,but soon as we lost the texts returned,AGAR OUT,HIS SUBSTITUTIONS ARE CRAP ETC ETC,SOME PEOPLE TALK UTTER SH-TE AND CANT GIVE CREDIT WHEN ITS DUE,id of taken 4th spot at this stage of the season and many teams below us would gladly swap places. |
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My problem with the team is I don't think we play a game which is either attractive or well organised. I think we win games because we have some very powerful operators who are able, as indivduals, pull things out of the bag. How often do we really look dangerous in the way a Leeds, Warrington, Saints, Wigan do? I think we lack pace and guile right across the team. And I would say we don't look like we're able to structure an attack half the time; and that is the coach's fault.
We're in 4th by right but only a fool would suggest we are the fourth best team in SL.
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| Quote: Uncle Junior "Bang your head all you want, I've given enough examples that league tables very much can lie until the season is over.'"
Sorry mate but you really are 
The fecking league tables DO NOT LIE!!!! |
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "Sorry mate but you really are ![]()
So were Rovers the 4th best team last season? 
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "So were Rovers the 4th best team last season? ![]()
10th worst!
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| Quote: wolfie "icon_lol.gif ![]()
Sorry but aside from the second half against Saints when exactly did we play well?
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "Sorry mate but you really are ![]()
Can you provide some evidence to base that assertion on?
Again, here's my examples of a league table lying:
1. Hull FC after 5 games of last season
2. Hull City after half of their first Premier League season
And, it can be argued that sometimes a league table can lie even at the end of the season:
1. Salford making the playoffs a few years back and getting relegated the next season
2. Rovers finishing 4th last season (I'm not saying that was false but a lot of people on here were over on the Rovers board saying so)
3. Ipswich Town in 2000, narrowly missing out on a Champions League place in their first season back in the Premiership, the following season with the same manager and a squad that had been improved they were relegated.
I've raised such examples several times now and nobody takes me up on them...sighing and saying some people are never happy etc, repeating the mantra 'the league table doesn't lie', shouting 'get it?!!' and saying I'm crazy really doesn't wash... It's a debate so if somebody wants to disprove what I'm saying then my examples should be easy enough to dismantle...
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| Quote: Uncle Junior "Can you provide some evidence to base that assertion on?
Again, here's my examples of a league table lying
WTF has football got to do with it ![]()
6th after the play-offs.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "WTF has football got to do with it ![]()
But the league doesn't lie
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "But the league doesn't lie ![]()
Correct. The truth must be that that there were 10 truly awful teams last year.
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| Quote: Uncle Junior "Repetition, feigned exasperation, smileys, refusing to discuss the points raised...I'll take it as you have no argument then, one down... does anyone have a reasoned argument against what I'm saying?'"
What's the point?
It has already been suggested that [i usually[/i after three quarters of a season when clubs have played half of their opposition both home and away - and the others [ieither[/i home or away - the league table is a fair representation of how each team is doing. We are 4th best at present, that may change.
You have quoted examples of how a club can fall away towards the end of a season but these are exceptions rather than the norm. The top six now will very likely finish in the top six albeit perhaps in a different order.
I stick by my point I made a few pages ago - to suggest that a league table means nothing in terms of how strong teams are until the end of the season is bollox. |
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| Quote: Uncle Junior "Repetition, feigned exasperation, smileys, refusing to discuss the points raised...I'll take it as you have no argument then, one down... does anyone have a reasoned argument against what I'm saying?'"
Yes.
You're making a subjective judgement of our worth/quality compared to the other teams in SL. Our league table position is an objective assessment. It's also the only assessment that counts.
Right now we are the 4th best side in SL based on the only criteria that matters - league position. Simplez. No amount of sophistry will change that indisputable fact. |
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