That's a pretty bad case of selective memory you have there.

He did a good job,with NSW Under 18's - which is probably the main reason
St Helens recruited him. (to progress their youngsters to the next level)'"

As you point out he hasn't actually won anything. Don't get me wrong I'm sure he's a good coach it's just that if/when Agar is replaced it might not be possible to replace him with a coach proven to have won things at the highest level. I'm sure that will disappoint many on here.

Our best coach since Arthur Bunting was Brian Smith and is widely regarded as one of the worlds top coaches. His silverware cupboard with all the teams he has coached is bare, although he has taken many teams to finals and improved them. But every single Hull fan would take him in an instant. Which goes to show you dont neccesary have to have won trophies as a coach to be considered a top coach.

We'll be rubbish until we have decent half backs IMO.

Whether Agar is out of his depth or not, I don't think these players are good enough to win things or even challenge the top 4. Agar definetley has done some bizzarre things like playing Moa when he first came over and then deciding he's not fit, or his lacklustre interchanges.

But is he the real problem ? I don't think so, I think with a better coach we'd still be no better off. We have no half backs and even the worlds best coach couldn't coach this lot into a great team.

The likes of Yeaman and Raynor are classy players on there day but are nothing without there star half backs. I know people will probably say its Agars job to motivate the players, its Agars job to prepare them etc. I feel that is balls myself, if a professional athlete can't motivate himself he shouldn't be in the sport. Agar can do as much preparation as he wants but when it comes to kick offs its those players who have to perform.

I personally feel we have a squad of players with no real leaders, no real professionals and no ambition. Agar will probably be the fall guy for it, its always the coaches that are. It'll be interesting to see in a years time with the arrival of players like Fitzgibbon, O Meley and Long if we are any different. Having Long will be a boost, at last a real half back at the club and a pair of forwards who don't take no from nobody. If they come and this time next season we are in the top 4 with Agar in charge will people be on here still claiming he is the problem or finally realise we are stuck with some very poor players with attitude problems who ATEOD just ain't good enough to be the best at this level.

Sharp was slated for the side playing pretty much the same rugby we have this season, apart from the few games where Dykes played. Nothing changed once Agar took over, and in fact we got spanked by Wigan during his tenure.

Our defence was a little better but our attack was still woeful unless Dykes was on the pitch.

And if we were to play Wakey with Adam Dykes in the side next week then we might well pull off the same result. He was THAT influential.

Maybe not but sometimes us FC fans (me included) do take things OTT.

Its easy to say now though isn't it, considering we are still no further on from him going. Says to me thats its about time we cleared out some of these players instead of giving them contract extensions.

I'm at the stage now were im passed caring who the coach is because we'll continue to be in the same position as long as we put up with sentiment (local players), bad attitude (letting players drink and smoke) and average players (could be here all day).

To be fair Kosh I think any Scrum Half would come into this squad and look influential or a good player. Even if there rubbish.

It is also Agars job to drop these players that have no ambition or who aren't being proffesional enough.....................

I know Rule has said " Agar will still be here next year" but who's to say he'll still be here as HEAD COACH They might drop him back to assistant like warrington and smith
I don't think agar will ever be a good S/L coach just a v.good assistant.
Hull FC should stop buying coach's from the 50% off shelf!! Spend money buy quality!

Its easy saying that but who do you replace them with ? Especially with an injury list like ours ?

I mean lets face it the KC crowd this year ain't exactley being getting behind the team this year so would playing the youngsters really benefit them at the expense of ruining there career before its started ?

I'm just adding an alternative view, all I see is people who are coming up with what to them seems like easy solutions but in fact there is no easy solution to this.

Saying that though Agar has dropped players on occasions this year, whether they have being the right ones to be dropped is a different question.

Maybe, maybe not but the club compounded the problem by taking the easy option of giving Agar the job instead of getting in a top quality proven coach to breath new life into the club and bring in much needed changes.
This I believe is what P Sharp wanted to do but was given little or no backing from the board, hence the appointment of Agar who is simply a yes man to the board.
For this club to move on from this and go forward it needs radical changes in playing staff and the whole of the coaching staff.

Some of what you said I agree with however that statement is complete gash.
PROFEESSIONALS in ALL walks of life need motivating, sport is as much a mental thing as it is physical. Time & time again over the decades I have watched not only in sport but in the workplace how people are not able to produce their best if they are demotivated and/or don't have things right mentally or are without a leader.
Having participated in team sports (RL & Cricket) & been a manager in a big organisation it is even more important to have it right in a team situation. Ask any sports psychologist and they'll give you the full reasons why.

Teams need leaders as you've already said but Agar is the team leader and quite frankly he hasn't the ability to lead what should be on paper a top 6 SL team.