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| I had to stop reading some of the responses to twitter and facebook, it was really embarrassing and shows what some people in society are like these days, trying to justify what in reality is a crime.
I do agree that SMT should put people back on turnstiles as it would stop this from happening and increase walk in supporters, you would think that would be enough to justify paying a few people to sit down and check tickets (I'm sure they would be fans who would do it for free, if it meant they could watch the games for free).
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| The machines used or the stewards manning the system are not that great anyway.
One match last season I was approached by a steward and asked if I was over 60. I am still a good few years off yet so I looked at him and asked "are you taking the pi$$".
He said the lights had indicated I had gone through on a concession pass even though my pass clearly stated adult. He wanted to take my pass off me and said I would have to go to the office the next day to get it back.
He could see I was getting annoyed at this point so agreed to let it go on this occasion. Thankfully it never happened again but either he misread the lights or the machine misread my pass.
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| This is a crime in the same way as downloading music illegally off the internet. Watching an unauthorised clip of Super League on youtube. Watching content online not intended for your country. Etc.
Yes there is a reason it's not allowed, but give it a rest. I bet every single one on here condemning it so strongly have done similar to the above. It shouldn't be done and the club should take action, but it is not as terrible as some people are suggesting.
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| ... it's happening with city as well, it's the SMC's problem really.
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| Quote: ccs "... it's happening with city as well, it's the SMC's problem really.'"
I can understand people doing it for city games with Some tickets at £36 I'd be quite inclined to do it as well.
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| This happens with all these new electrical ways of buying things. Take buying something online, say a kid wants to buy an 18 rated dvd, as long as he uses his parents' cards then he gets away with it. I know this is nowhere near the same but take self-service in supermarkets and that thing that asks you how many bags you've used, so easy to just press none even if you've got a load. At the stadium, buy the ticket from the machine, scan it at turnstile and you're in without speaking to a single human being. Technology is not always a good thing, especially not seen as the turnstiles at south-west have broken down both home games this year... :-/
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| So. Do any of the above excuses make it OK?
No, they don't. The fact quite a few people think it is, speaks volumes about the fall in moral standards.
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| To be fair its been going on for years, its not a recent thing. As long ago as 1986 when I started working on the turnstiles at the Boulevard I had parents swearing to me their 5ft son had just turned 4 years old and so on. With the old gates at the Boulevard and the (lack of) security there wasn't a lot you could do but you can with the more modern, manned turnstiles. It was bound to happen with unmanned ticket machines, there has to be some trust. Like cc said, it is a problem for the SMC to sort out, afterall, it was them that got rid of the manned ticket office who could question and request proof of identity.
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| Quote: Large Paws "So. Do any of the above excuses make it OK?
No, they don't. The fact quite a few people think it is, speaks volumes about the fall in moral standards.'"
Who's said it's okay?
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| Quote: joetwizzy "Who's said it's okay?'"
Not directly no, indirectly yes. If you can't read between the lines...
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| Quote: knockersbumpMKII "Not directly no, indirectly yes. If you can't read between the lines...'"
Not really. I think everyone agreed it's not right. We disagreed on the severity.
It seems to range from "Tut, SMC need to sort it" to "Scum, they need hanging".
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| Quote: joetwizzy "This is a crime in the same way as downloading music illegally off the internet. Watching an unauthorised clip of Super League on youtube. Watching content online not intended for your country. Etc.
Yes there is a reason it's not allowed, but give it a rest. I bet every single one on here condemning it so strongly have done similar to the above. It shouldn't be done and the club should take action, but it is not as terrible as some people are suggesting.'"
No perhaps its not I agree, but doing the other things you cite although not right and in fact illegal, hardly hurt Hull FC do they? The relationship between a Club and its devoted fans is a little different to that between an owner of a TV and Sky TV. Yeh the stuff you quote hurts musicians starving artists, the RL and TV company's but in this case for a lot of people its not the legal principle of what has been done, so much as the fact that fans are doing it to swindle their Club, the team they support, who need the cash and expect people who support them to play the game, while the rest of their fellow fans stump up to support their team. Its almost I guess a matter of honour really! Just my thoughts and I am an old b*gger!
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| Quote: joetwizzy "Who's said it's okay?'"
I refer you to the answer below your question.
Several people have inferred it's OK. (having seen some comments on F.B. some have admitted it).
I happen to think it isn't.
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| Wilf has the right of it. On the global scale of crime it hardly registers but given that the victim is the club we all support that cranks it up a few notches.
Enough people start doing it and the club takes a significant financial hit.
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| It's stupid how people think lowering the prices is the easiest option when it's clearly not. People don't realise that the club is a business and that businesses need to make a profit at the end of the year to survive long term. If you look at football, clubs charge £50+ for a ticket when they don't even need it, football is all about making the largest profit instead of entertainment these days, whereas Rugby is for entertainment and survival. In my eyes, the club are charging the lowest they can for adult tickets and these 'fans' that think £21-£22 is too much are narrow minded and ridiculous.
Wish some people would open their eyes and look at the wider picture before spurting out stupid comments like they have on social media.
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