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| Whenever we have young lads come in the look like rabbits in the headlights
Compare this to how easy Wigan, Saints, Leeds all slot them in and you wouldnt tell the difference
There lies the problem
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| Quote: PAUL M "It is a worry I agree. Personally I think there are two key areas that are crucial, one is coaching and the other is gametime. Without top quality coaching they won't progress and at some stage they have to start being blooded otherwise we will never know if they can make it. We also have to show some patience once they are blooded.'"
I think the solution is loaning out, a prime example of the is Lyne he is too good for the u20s but not ready for SL, why are we not loaning more players out to the championship to develop their games!
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| its a massive worry and something that the club and agar should be asked about becuase it isnt good enough in the past 2 seasons weve seen nicklas get about 40 mins, cunningahm 10-15 mins and reece play about 10 games thats what weve got to show for the past 2 seasons
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| Quote: Hutchie "Whenever we have young lads come in the look like rabbits in the headlights
Compare this to how easy Wigan, Saints, Leeds all slot them in and you wouldnt tell the difference
There lies the problem'"
The top teams mostly ship their youngsters out to gain experience, in either Championship or lower SL clubs. Wigan being a prime example.
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| Sharp always used to go on about the number of "babies" on the "park". Admittedly injuries forced a lot of this. But at that stage they were still coming through and kicking on. Seem to stagnate now, though.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "I think the solution is loaning out, a prime example of the is Lyne he is too good for the u20s but not ready for SL, why are we not loaning more players out to the championship to develop their games!'"
its so obvious that reece is to good at 20s and will learn nothing from playing in it but again he isnt ready for super league so the obvious solution is been loaned out to a championship club like the likes of jordan thompson, rhys evans, tom armstrong ect all have done and progreessed. whats happend to jack briscoe looked very good in the 20s last season and before that but seems to have gone backwards again would he of been bettre served playing at a better level?
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| Quote: Hutchie "Whenever we have young lads come in the look like rabbits in the headlights
Compare this to how easy Wigan, Saints, Leeds all slot them in and you wouldnt tell the difference
There lies the problem'"
Saints in particular. IMO this is in part due to their big name players like Graham, Roby, Puletua really stepping up and leading from the front when they have several young player in and almost protecting them.
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| Our catchment area is massive compared to ever other yorkshire club as we only have to compete with one other super league team for youngsters as nobody is coming over and stealing them afaik whereas the likes of for instance leeds have so much more competition but can still bring players through every year,
i'm guessing its worse for the lancastrians so why we haven't had more hull born first teamers in the last few years i don't know.
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| Quote: The Hollywood Frasier "We have a coach who doesn't trust in youth, just look at our playing roster yet again its close to becoming full of average players instead of 17 very good players and using youngsters to cover any potential injuries.'"
I have said for a while now that we need a complete clearout not just a new head coach. Lasty can build a good reserve side but is he actually developing players? Then in the first team is Agar actually developing their skills?
We should have one system of play and this should be replicated at all age groups so young players can step into the first team and not look out of place and know their roles.
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| Quote: PAUL M "I have said for a while now that we need a complete clearout not just a new head coach. Lasty can build a good reserve side but is he actually developing players? Then in the first team is Agar actually developing their skills?
We should have one system of play and this should be replicated at all age groups so young players can step into the first team and not look out of place and know their roles.'" I know it may sound odd however at 20's results don't mean a thing and as you say the 20's should be singing from the same hymn sheet as the first team and players positions should be based upon where they will be playing for the first team too.
A change that I would like to see though is having the foundation sides coaches coming from outside of the Hull region so the players are getting viewed with a blank slate instead of any preconceived ideas.
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| Quote: The Hollywood Frasier "I know it may sound odd however at 20's results don't mean a thing and as you say the 20's should be singing from the same hymn sheet as the first team and players positions should be based upon where they will be playing for the first team too.
A change that I would like to see though is having the foundation sides coaches coming from outside of the Hull region so the players are getting viewed with a blank slate instead of any preconceived ideas.'"
Yeah results are largely irrelevant, player development is the key.
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| Its a bit of a joke that Lyne is the only one really who has had a few games in the last few seasons
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| I've been saying this for a long time. I don't believe the area doesn't produce the quality of player to make it in SL (and higher).
Amazing that the last time we really saw any decent youngsters come through in sufficient numbers was the last time we had a coach who knew what he was doing. If only we had someone with a genuine knowledge of the game as CEO rather than a marketeer then we may get somewhere
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| Quote: muddyboots "Our catchment area is massive compared to ever other yorkshire club as we only have to compete with one other super league team for youngsters as nobody is coming over and stealing them afaik whereas the likes of for instance leeds have so much more competition but can still bring players through every year,
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Sorry but you're wrong, whilst the catchment area is 20% physically larger, the East Riding is one of the least populated areas in the country(with a big city in it for sure).
With about 600K compared to well over 2.2 million in the West Riding area alone. That doesn't even take into account those towns in South and North Yorkshire on the fringes of West Yorkshire which are not too distant in terms of available catchment area. Most of the population of the Yorkshire teams is very concentrated and within fairly short distances. The effective catchment population for the Hull teams is a lot less than the populous itself due to distance alone.
In fact it is predicted that the amount of youngsters living in the East riding area will drop considerably in the next 25 years, much so than in other areas around the UK.
I'd consider that a distinct disadvantage.
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| Quote: PAUL M "I have said for a while now that we need a complete clearout not just a new head coach.
when ??????????
You have been anti change for the last 3 and half seasons
BTW , we have had a clear out apart from Last and Agar. Agarr sees to it we lose asst coaches regularly as well.
We need a Brian Smith type world class coach who can turn average into good and good to great.
I have said that for 3 and half seasons as I knew Agar was not good enough for the job. I saw his half time team talk on RL Raw when he was at York Knights , enough said.
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