i know were warrington are now,just back from france having lost to the bottom club.

If we had played a better brand of rugby all season I would have accepted anywhere in the 8 as good progress. The turgid crap which has been served up on too many occasions makes it so I wouldn't be hapy regardless of where we finish. I think we have secured our position by investing in a triumverate of quality players and not being as crippled by injuries as in previous seasons. The style of play, in my opinion shows no improvement.

still 2nd, still in the CC, playing a better brand of rugby than us, so your point is???

I think that if we get into the play-offs and win a match the season would be a success, but it doesn't matter where in the 8 we finish.

It would be a failure if we were to finish 4th or 6th and lose both play-off matches.

even if we do or we dont win i would consider this season a success cause least we have reached it in three years

Really don't get this. Wigan, Warrington, Saints and Leeds all have comfortably better squads than us. The position we are in is probably about where we should be. The way we have gotten there is less than impressive though.

So finishing 8th in a 14 team league would be a success?

wow so we are finishing 8th now are we

2nd in the league and 160 minutes away from a succesful defence of the challenge cup

We should have reached the playoffs every one of those years, teams with ambition make a grand final and then kick on they don't go to the extremes of finishing as close to the bottom as possible.

no we shouldnt before this season started we had three terrible seasons

Does have the benefit of making any slight improvement look significant though