I don't know about a cunning plan but perhaps this wasn't treated as an all or nothing game in terms of getting some of the players carrying injuries out on the pitch.

Next week it is everything on the line and this (and hopefully the subsequent ones) is the game that the season should be judged on.

Last night was bad but it was the first real tonking on the scoreboard all season, which is not to say that there haven't been some poor efforts. It makes sense to reserve judgement until then - some of the reactions on here have been way OTT as usual.

Wouldn't disagree with that. We need some players back though. Hopefully Ellis and Lynch? Think the other 6 (McDonnell, Lineham, Crooks, Arundel, Galea, O'Meley) are done for the season.

It is a mystery. A lot of players seem to lack the mental strength to play consistently at the level required. At the moment some decent players are struggling to catch a rugby ball and as Gentle says in the mail our skill levels are 'appalling'. We were missing our three toughest players last night (by that I don't mean just physically although they probably are but profssionally and mentally) in O Meley, Lynch and Ellis. Without them there doesn't appear to be any leadership.

I'm sorry, but that's just rubbish. There are professional athletes/players. when they're on the pitch the only thing they should be concentrating on is the game they are playing and the same goes for off it as well. If they've got time to be listening and worrying about what the fans are saying whilst on the pitch then they shouldn't be anywhere near the pitch in the first place.

I've said it before and ill stick by it... We've got the most overrated half back leading us around the pitch. He's like the pied piper, everyone loves him when he has 1 good game in 7. Holdsworth is the worst 'first choice' half we've had for a long time!!

We are desperate I this area. So we allow Salford to sign Chase out of pride/greed.

Worrying thing for me is that we just aren't getting better with ball in hand. We look like an amateur team at times. Passing is painfully slow, no one seems to know what they're supposed to do, there are no dummy runners, support play is poor and creativity is almost non existent.

Late in the game we had miller, holdsworth, horne, heremaia and Houghton on the pitch and still looked clueless

That's cos, most of the time the were all stood within 5mtrs of each other!! Heremaia is the most dangerous.. Now, who signed him??

Very frustrating to watch heremaia dart out of dummy half to commit defenders only to turn around and have no one there supporting him

Westerman and Holdsworth are simply not good enough.

Westerman showed promise at Cas but they're hardly a yardstick for success. The only decent player they had was Chase and he was bought in.

Wigan got the better of Salfords half-backs and we got someone who can kick but quite simply, cannot lead a team or unlock a defence in the 20. We have strike players (when fit) who can punish from distance but we're fecking clueless attacking at the line.

Sure, last night we missed Watts, Lynch, Ogre and Ellis - 4 giant players who will hurt. Our forwards couldn't punch a hole through fog last night.

Our passing skills are woeful, we simply can't pass and catch. BASIC rugby league taught at a 6 year old level.

Release Gentle, let Lasty and Radders take command. 2 local lads who will beat some pride into that shambolic set of players.

Release list:

Westerman - Can't believe we paid nearly 200k for this guy.
Holdsworth - Thorman Mk II
Horne - Carrying him now.
Yeaman - past his best.
Johnson - ineffective
Crookes - Poor, lower league and a PR disaster
Gentle - good in patches, bench strategy leaves a lot to be desired.

Of our 2013 recruitment, only McDonnell and Ellis have been worthwhile and we're not using Ellis properly.

thought he played did he get injured ?

After sleeping on it I partly agree with the above but would instead of getting rid of Gentle I would maybe add one or more attacking coaches, Sean Long? Also don't think they lack passion they just look knackered so maybe take another look at conditioning?

Long?! No thank you.

Look what happened when Saints binned Potter and used Cunningham and Rush. They played some incredible rugby. We've gone back to the McRae boring style of rugby and now our defensive excellence has disappeared, conceding 70 points in 2 games - one against Wigans children!

McRea's,2004 side, was one of the most exiting fc sides I've seen,were you around at the time?

Agreed, McRea's sides were anything but boring. And anyway Gentle is our coach not McRea.