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Quote: hull smallears "I agree, its why we smashed the abyssmal bottom club by 60 points on Friday night.

I think you all know that Jake is implying that he does not believe that we ARE the 4th best side, despite us being 4th in the league table. I agree with him, I don't think we are the 4th best side.

That said, with a full strength side, I think we can beat anyone on our day, but can also lose to anyone as well

I'm not even saying that, I'm saying until everyone has played everyone else home and away the league table isn't necessary an exact reflection of how strong each team is. Certainly at this stage it will be a reasonable approximation, but isn't exact.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Look right now we are the 4th best side in the competition...the table does not lie
well said lyn,i put this on another thread but nobody picked up on it.

im on hols in benidorm atm and i missed the game on friday night so i cant comment on it,by all accounts it was sh-te, ill post my thoughts in general tho,terrrible news on longy but im sure we will get by without him as we did earlier in the season,im still as positive as when i started the other thread,i agree we are not playing great rugby every week but name a team who is?ill spell things out were i see it from.

negatives

we have lost to crusaders who are doing very well for a new team,ok we would of expected to of beat them but they have beat bulls,leeds and have run other teams close so was that realy a bad result away from home?

lost to salford,ill not comment on that game cos we should of beaten them hands down,but on the daythey wanted it more.

lost to quins,same as above

lost to wire,top two in the league and tbh i thought we played very well and had a chance of beating them.

lost to leeds,very good team as we all know,ok they not on top of there game this year but we `played them when they had hit a good run of form.

lost to wigan,they just ripped us to threads,end of story.

lost to hudd,thought the game was there for the taking we played decent rugby to go 18-0 up then we just let them back into it and caved in,still hudds are a very good team who finished pretty high up in the table last year and are up they again.

lost to leeds in cup game,was it realy a bad result the way leeds played?not as if we were playing dockers or someone like that was it.

i maybe missed a defeat or two out but are these defeats realy that bad?

positives

after the last 2 seasons we have had and we are 4th in the league and some people are still not happy,we have beaten sts home and away.the last team to do that was 20 years ago,we played very well in both of them,ok the home game we was poor in 1st half but to come back from that was something special,we have played some good rugby this year also some dumb rugby,we still havent it nowhere near top gear yet,like i said im on my hols and people still text me to say agar out got one text saying hul won 10-8 longy suspected broken arm,players seem to of realised they want agar out now which can only be a good thing,and thats a fan of over 30 years icon_rolleyes.gif ,
I seriously believe some people need a reality check,4th in the league 3 points clear of leeds who have wire to play today and saints next week,cant see them getting much out of them 2 games,also cant see us finishing lower then 5th,WHAT DO SOME PEOPLE ACTUALY CALL IMPROVEMENT???

ANYWAY IM GANNING BACK TO MY SUN BED

wake up people and keep cheering on the boys,come on you hulllllllllllllllllllllll

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Quote: PAUL M "Are you daft?

The playoffs come in September, we are saying we are the 4th best side right now as we are 4th, come the playoffs we might be 6th, so then we will be saying we are the 6th best side.

Get it!!'"


icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif wasting your time paul.

4th in the league means we are the 4th best team,the table doesnt lie,teh teams above are much better and more consistent,some people just want us to fail so agar gets the bullet,simple as.

heres one for ye mate.

we won 4 games on the spin,i never recieved one text saying how well we have played or giving agar or the coaching staff any credit,but soon as we lost the texts returned,AGAR OUT,HIS SUBSTITUTIONS ARE CRAP ETC ETC,SOME PEOPLE TALK UTTER SH-TE AND CANT GIVE CREDIT WHEN ITS DUE,id of taken 4th spot at this stage of the season and many teams below us would gladly swap places.

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My problem with the team is I don't think we play a game which is either attractive or well organised. I think we win games because we have some very powerful operators who are able, as indivduals, pull things out of the bag. How often do we really look dangerous in the way a Leeds, Warrington, Saints, Wigan do? I think we lack pace and guile right across the team. And I would say we don't look like we're able to structure an attack half the time; and that is the coach's fault.

We're in 4th by right but only a fool would suggest we are the fourth best team in SL.

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Quote: Uncle Junior "Bang your head all you want, I've given enough examples that league tables very much can lie until the season is over.'"


Sorry mate but you really are d040.gif

The fecking league tables DO NOT LIE!!!!

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Sorry mate but you really are
So were Rovers the 4th best team last season? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Gordon Gekko "So were Rovers the 4th best team last season?

10th worst! icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wolfie "icon_lol.gif
Sorry but aside from the second half against Saints when exactly did we play well?

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Sorry mate but you really are
Can you provide some evidence to base that assertion on?

Again, here's my examples of a league table lying:

1. Hull FC after 5 games of last season
2. Hull City after half of their first Premier League season

And, it can be argued that sometimes a league table can lie even at the end of the season:

1. Salford making the playoffs a few years back and getting relegated the next season
2. Rovers finishing 4th last season (I'm not saying that was false but a lot of people on here were over on the Rovers board saying so)
3. Ipswich Town in 2000, narrowly missing out on a Champions League place in their first season back in the Premiership, the following season with the same manager and a squad that had been improved they were relegated.

I've raised such examples several times now and nobody takes me up on them...sighing and saying some people are never happy etc, repeating the mantra 'the league table doesn't lie', shouting 'get it?!!' and saying I'm crazy really doesn't wash... It's a debate so if somebody wants to disprove what I'm saying then my examples should be easy enough to dismantle...

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Quote: Uncle Junior "Can you provide some evidence to base that assertion on?

Again, here's my examples of a league table lying

WTF has football got to do with it 6th after the play-offs. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: berrigans bitch "WTF has football got to do with it
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Quote: Gordon Gekko "But the league doesn't lie Correct. The truth must be that that there were 10 truly awful teams last year. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Uncle Junior "Repetition, feigned exasperation, smileys, refusing to discuss the points raised...I'll take it as you have no argument then, one down... does anyone have a reasoned argument against what I'm saying?'"


What's the point?

It has already been suggested that [iusually[/i after three quarters of a season when clubs have played half of their opposition both home and away - and the others [ieither[/i home or away - the league table is a fair representation of how each team is doing. We are 4th best at present, that may change.

You have quoted examples of how a club can fall away towards the end of a season but these are exceptions rather than the norm. The top six now will very likely finish in the top six albeit perhaps in a different order.

I stick by my point I made a few pages ago - to suggest that a league table means nothing in terms of how strong teams are until the end of the season is bollox.

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