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Quote: Big Dave T "I see the value of a hooker being their workrate in defence. If Berro used to defend like that and Head defends like that now i'd question using either of them at hooker.'"
Thats were we differ as id rather have a hooker who is more attack minded who you put structures in place to protect him from having to defend too much so he can conserve his energy for attack.

I'd actually swap Berro and Yeamo's positions in defence.

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Quote: PAUL M "What really annoys me is we can all see that fighting for that quick ptb followed by two widish passes can immediately get you into an excellent passing position. So why can't the coaches see it? FFS it's not brain surgery.'"


Maybe they can it's just the players are that shi[it[/i and don't know how to create opportunities..

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Quote: PAUL M "That's a big call, I might be inclined to agree with you tbh. We could use Lee and Houghton at hooker and sign a ball playing halfback with Berro's money. Use Horne at fullback and Tansey from the bench.'"


Horne's nothing great at fullback I don't see why so many people want him there...He's safe that's it, offers nothing going forward when he has the ball from the back.

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[quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6] [quote="redtillimdead":36nw6ut6]Oh and as for Briscoe,if he was that fab,why did Wigan see fit to let him leave?[/quote:36nw6ut6]:8903.gif



Quote: A unknown superstar "Horne's nothing great at fullback I don't see why so many people want him there
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I think you do...

Quote: A unknown superstar "He's safe that's it'"


There you go! Many (most, probably) in this country hold an antiquated view of what a fullback should be and that view seems to consist solely of 'being safe'.

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Quote: A unknown superstar "Horne's nothing great at fullback I don't see why so many people want him there...He's safe that's it, offers nothing going forward when he has the ball from the back.'"


Oh I agree and have said so many times in recent weeks. He lacks any kind of urgency on his kick returns and I would personally play him at 6.

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Quote: PAUL M "Oh I agree and have said so many times in recent weeks. He lacks any kind of urgency on his kick returns and I would personally play him at 6.'"


but we leaked less points with him at full-back and won games. icon_eek.gif

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Quote: hullandbroncos "but we leaked less points with him at full-back and won games. Yeah - the only reason we lost against Leeds and Saints was our FB. icon_rolleyes.gif

FFS.

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Quote: Kosh "Yeah - the only reason we lost against Leeds and Saints was our FB.
yeah cause thats what I put we lost against leeds and saints because motu was at FB dint i - NOT.Just a fact we won games with horney at fb and leaked less points . Motu is not fit fact !!

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There you go! Many (most, probably) in this country hold an antiquated view of what a fullback should be and that view seems to consist solely of 'being safe'.'"


No seriously I don't I've never rated him at fb and don't think he's that great at 6 either tbh. My opinion of course.

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[quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6] [quote="redtillimdead":36nw6ut6]Oh and as for Briscoe,if he was that fab,why did Wigan see fit to let him leave?[/quote:36nw6ut6]:8903.gif



Quote: A unknown superstar "No seriously I don't'"


You missed my point but no matter.

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Quote: The Hollywood Frasier "

I'd actually swap Berro and Yeamo's positions in defence.'"


great, leave us a gap right in the middle icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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There you go! Many (most, probably) in this country hold an antiquated view of what a fullback should be and that view seems to consist solely of 'being safe'.'"


in your opinion

and no its no sloeley being safe, but being safe is part of the requriment as is backing up breaks, 2 thins which Horne excels at. Id bet given a bit of time there he could work on his ball returng and quicker PTB's

mind you what more should we expect from someone who thinks wingers need to be defensive and workhorses icon_wink.gif icon_lol.gif

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I hate the term deadwood - would we like it if someone called us that at work during a round of redundancies or "restructuring"? "But who was last year's growth that needs pruning" doesn't quite have the same ring to it, I know. I think:

G Horne (I'd love him to have a magnificent season and prove me wrong)
Cusack (very good start to the season but can we have more dynamism?)
thorman (I'm sorry but not making the grade to my mind)
Thackray (not delivering what we need)
King (certainly playing with pride - not sure it's enough anymore)
Radford (great servant, fantastic effort every week, great tackler, offers us little going forward - time to move on)
Crocker (can anyone tell me what he's brought to the club this year?)

Now, who to replace them with.... hmmmm... maybe we ought to keep them all.

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[quote="dave m":36nw6ut6]Briscoe couldn't get into Wigans Team because of Radlinski even though Radlinski was playing crap at the time still better than old bent nose.[/quote:36nw6ut6] [quote="redtillimdead":36nw6ut6]Oh and as for Briscoe,if he was that fab,why did Wigan see fit to let him leave?[/quote:36nw6ut6]:8903.gif



Quote: Hutchie "mind you what more should we expect from someone who thinks wingers need to be defensive and workhorses 5.43408203125:5
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