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Quote: Kosh "It isn't 'clearly' anything. You've expressed [iyour opinion[/i, not fact. It's entirely possible that the majority of surveys sent out have been returned and the majority of those favoured Sundays.

The survey WAS on the website - you just had to register for The Grapevine to have it delivered. Granted that process seems to have been hit-and-miss at best.

Writing to every pass-holder would have taken too long and cost too much. Similarly with the original idea of including the question with the pass renewal forms. By the time the result was in it would be too late to change things for next season.

At least this time people will know what's happening [ibefore[/i they buy a pass.'"

I am a season pass holder as are 3 others in my home, none of us receive the grapevine, there are only a few hundred fans signed upto the grapevine how is that a reflection of 12000 fans ?
With this in mind the club should be honest and say we have sampled a very small minority, not come out with all the overwhleming figures b0llox

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Quote: Diogenes "But surely everyone is going to look at it from their own position? Their perspective is their reality.

And surely its illogical to make a decision before the survey closes.'"

Looking at an objective reality - the survey and how it was carried out - from a subjective position isn't logical. The [iresult[/i will rightly be assessed on an absolutely subjective basis.

If you sent out X number of survey forms, and you had two thirds back in a week advocating Sunday matches, why would it be logical to wait for the remaining third to arrive before announcing the result?

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Quote: Marfa Manu "I am a season pass holder as are 3 others in my home, none of us receive the grapevine, there are only a few hundred fans signed upto the grapevine how is that a reflection of 12000 fans ?
With this in mind the club should be honest and say we have sampled a very small minority, not come out with all the overwhleming figures b0llox'"


How is it you know this? the way you imply this in your post suggests you know this with certainty.

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Quote: Marfa Manu "'eh!!
They made a decision before the survey closed, a survey which was only open to the few supporters who actually use the website..where is the logic in that ?'"

Two different issues there.

1. Making a decision before the survey closes is not inherently illogical if you have more responses back in favour of Sundays than outstanding responses. The remaining responses cannot possibly change the result so waiting until they are in makes no difference.

2. The original plan appears to have been to canvas existing pass holders via the renewal forms. This would have given the most representative result. The downside is that you either have to delay the decision until the 2013 season or change things after people have bought passes. Clearly the club decided that they wanted to avoid that. The next best thing is what we had - send out surveys to a known group of FC fans who are likely to fill them in and return them in good time. It's not ideal but better than anything we've had before.

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Quote: Marfa Manu "I am a season pass holder as are 3 others in my home, none of us receive the grapevine, there are only a few hundred fans signed upto the grapevine how is that a reflection of 12000 fans ?
With this in mind the club should be honest and say we have sampled a very small minority, not come out with all the overwhleming figures b0llox'"

The club have only said that an overwhelming majority of the [isurvey results[/i are in favour of Sundays. They've made no claims whatsoever regarding the views of the majority of the fanbase.

How do you know how many people are signed up for The Grapevine BTW?

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Quote: Kosh "Looking at an objective reality - the survey and how it was carried out - from a subjective position isn't logical. The [iresult[/i will rightly be assessed on an absolutely subjective basis.

If you sent out X number of survey forms, and you had two thirds back in a week advocating Sunday matches, why would it be logical to wait for the remaining third to arrive before announcing the result?'"


I find it impossible to believe there was an overwhelming vote in favour of Sundays.

I would like to know how many people were eligible to take part in the survey, how many did take part and what were the results. It would surely be sensible to await the closing date of the survey before announcing any decisions.

If AP wants to go back to sunday rugby thats up to him, but he shouln't pretend that the fans' views matter.

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Quote: Kosh "Two different issues there.

1. Making a decision before the survey closes is not inherently illogical if you have more responses back in favour of Sundays than outstanding responses. The remaining responses cannot possibly change the result so waiting until they are in makes no difference.

2. The original plan appears to have been to canvas existing pass holders via the renewal forms. This would have given the most representative result. The downside is that you either have to delay the decision until the 2013 season or change things after people have bought passes. Clearly the club decided that they wanted to avoid that. The next best thing is what we had - send out surveys to a known group of FC fans who are likely to fill them in and return them in good time. It's not ideal but better than anything we've had before.'"

They saved money not sending us the invites to the BBQ this year, considering the gates are low I think they could have afforded to send it out to pass-holders tbh.The grapevine is not exclusive to FC fans, I know a couple of dobbins who get it!

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Quote: Marfa Manu "With this in mind the club should be honest and say we have sampled a very small minority, not come out with all the overwhleming figures b0llox'"


I would have preferred Pearson to come out and say he'd decided to change things and move BACK to Sundays as a result of slipping attendances on Fridays rather than include it in the survey at all. ATEOTD Pearson bought the club and therefore decides when we play our fixtures (subject to SKY requirements). It may be that the surveys have come out generally in favour of Sundays which is helpful to him, but he has made a decision to move to Sundays based on his own business case which is his prerogative I guess.

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Quote: Kosh "The club have only said that an overwhelming majority of the [isurvey results[/i are in favour of Sundays. They've made no claims whatsoever regarding the views of the majority of the fanbase.

How do you know how many people are signed up for The Grapevine BTW?'"

I know of 6 dobbin supporters signed up as they are texting me as I type icon_lol.gif ....

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Quote: Staffs FC "I would have preferred Pearson to come out and say he'd decided to change things and move BACK to Sundays as a result of slipping attendances on Fridays rather than include it in the survey at all. ATEOTD Pearson bought the club and therefore decides when we play our fixtures (subject to SKY requirements). It may be that the surveys have come out generally in favour of Sundays which is helpful to him, but he has made a decision to move to Sundays based on his own business case which is his prerogative I guess.'"

Totally agree with that!

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Quote: Staffs FC "I would have preferred Pearson to come out and say he'd decided to change things and move BACK to Sundays as a result of slipping attendances on Fridays rather than include it in the survey at all. ATEOTD Pearson bought the club and therefore decides when we play our fixtures (subject to SKY requirements). It may be that the surveys have come out generally in favour of Sundays which is helpful to him, but he has made a decision to move to Sundays based on his own business case which is his prerogative I guess.'"


Good post. eusa_clap.gif If its his decision let him come out and say so rather than pretending its the fans' choice.

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Does it really matter? Friday or Sunday, the crowds aren't coming back until Agar's gone.

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Quote: Diogenes "Good post.
Like James Rule's survey you mean?

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Quote: east hull FC fan "Does it really matter? Friday or Sunday, the crowds aren't coming back until Agar's gone.'"


It matters to those who can't go Friday and those who can't go Sunday.

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Quote: Diogenes "It matters to those who can't go Friday and those who can't go Sunday.'"

Local amateur moves to summer rugby as well, 11.30 KO, teams travelling away may have an impact on attendances.

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