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Quote: OmneFC "Yes, the schools and NHS improved,

But at what cost? it was unsustainable - almost all of the capital investment made by labour throughout their last term in office was done through the form of PFI - basically getting companies to invest the money now, at a promise of around 30% interest on their investments - purely to keep them off the books.

Labour were reckless in government, and now refuse to accept blame'"


And when Maggie had brought in the options for tenants buy their council house, why did she also stop councils from replenishing their stocks using the monies paid for this purpose so they could make sure there would the capital available to reinvest in social housing for poor people. Did she? Did she hell!!
Now, we have no houses for social tenants to 'bid for'.......only places to line the pockets of richer landlords...and these do not do repairs, and some, or so I saw like that Police Crime officer who had found a good scam of "buying council tenants via 'right to buy' and then robbing the poor once again.
I would love to know up the outcome of the that scam shown on tv this past week........grannyfan Cindy

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Quote: Standee "what difference does it make if I do or don't have a degree?

I bet you agree with the 50% tax band because you'll never have to pay it


(see, easy this baseless bat$hittery, isn't it)'"


If you had attended University or funded a child you would appreciate the costs involved...accomodation, food, bills etc and have a realistic view of the situation. So as you see it is not just about £9k fee,s it is paying back student loans, the pressure put on middle class families to support children etc etc.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "Correct...let us consider Hull very few people earn £60k, the average earings in Hull are 23k.
People are also forgetting the majority of students often have to go into digs, they need to have money for bills, foods etc, unless they have parents who fund all this (most of us cannot afford to on our earnings), they then have to take out student loans....It is shambolic!'"


I (eventually) worked hard for my degree, had to have a job during my degree, didn't live at home, and have left with debts of around £30k.....

So what? I chose to do the degree in the knowledge that my average income will be higher because of it

Look at the US, they charge about 4 times more than we do for a degree, and it certainly hasn't harmed their society,

university should be based on a cost benefit scenario,

if the benefits outway the costs, then do it, if they don't, then don't

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Quote: Kosh "The sooner we grant them independence the better. Saw the place off and float it out into the North Sea.'"


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Quote: berrigans bitch "If you had attended University or funded a child you would appreciate the costs involved...accomodation, food, bills etc and have a realistic view of the situation. So as you see it is not just about £9k fee,s it is paying back student loans, the pressure put on middle class families to support children etc etc.'"


I went to University for 14 weeks and realised I was being taught out of date skills on out of date systems, I left, I got a job, I am now qualified in my field beyond masters level, all self funded.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "If you had attended University or funded a child you would appreciate the costs involved...accomodation, food, bills etc and have a realistic view of the situation. So as you see it is not just about £9k fee,s it is paying back student loans, the pressure put on middle class families to support children etc etc.'"


You're not wrong. My parents were just above the boundary so I didn't get a grant or bursary too, meaning I got the minimum loan to pay off my bills and food etc, but my parents were in no position to support me financially.

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Quote: Standee "I went to University for 14 weeks and realised I was being taught out of date skills on out of date systems, I left, I got a job, I am now qualified in my field beyond masters level, all self funded.'"


Mazel tov for doing so well, but a lot of people aren't so lucky.

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Quote: tommyfromhull "You're not wrong. My parents were just above the boundary so I didn't get a grant or bursary too, meaning I got the minimum loan to pay off my bills and food etc, but my parents were in no position to support me financially.'"



Same here, but I was on the system where the fees needed to be paid upfront - not like now

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Quote: Standee "I went to University for 14 weeks and realised I was being taught out of date skills on out of date systems, I left, I got a job, I am now qualified in my field beyond masters level, all self funded.'"


You have failed to comment on the realistic view, accomodation costs, fuel ect icon_lol.gif ..

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Quote: OmneFC "So what? I chose to do the degree in the knowledge that my average income will be higher because of it'"

I chose to do my degree because I was smart enough to do one and it would have been a waste not to. For most of my early graduate career I was earning less than people with no education to speak of at all. Education shouldn't be all about the money.

Quote: OmneFC "Look at the US, they charge about 4 times more than we do for a degree, and it certainly hasn't harmed their society'"

If I wanted to do things the way they do them in the USA I'd go live there.

Quote: OmneFC "university should be based on a cost benefit scenario,

if the benefits outway the costs, then do it, if they don't, then don't'"

I couldn't disagree more strongly. Education should be about realising your full potential.

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Quote: tommyfromhull "Mazel tov for doing so well, but a lot of people aren't so lucky.'"


LUCKY?

believe me, anything I have achieved hasn't been down to luck.

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Quote: berrigans bitch "You have failed to comment on the realistic view, accomodation costs, fuel ect
considering they are in lectures for less than 12-14 hours a week, they could, oh, I don't know, it's a bit radical...GET A JOB?

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anyway, this just goes to show the inability of some people to vote in regional elections on regional issues.

this thread belongs on the Sin Bin now

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Quote: Standee "LUCKY?

believe me, anything I have achieved hasn't been down to luck.'"

You've never had a lucky break? Not one? Ever?

Blimey - how many mirrors did you break as a lad? icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Kosh "I chose to do my degree because I was smart enough to do one and it would have been a waste not to. For most of my early graduate career I was earning less than people with no education to speak of at all. Education shouldn't be all about the money.

If I wanted to do things the way they do them in the USA I'd go live there.

I couldn't disagree more strongly. Education should be about realising your full potential.'"


Correct, my youngest is a predicted six A and 6 A*, he is an exeptional pupil who has decided to go and do his A'levels. He told us he doubts very much that he will go on to University as he will spend years of his life paying for it, he is considering the Royal Marines or Merhcant Navy tbh...What a waste of potential, this country is a joke when it come's to education!

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