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| Quote The Dentist Wilf="The Dentist Wilf"The rule always used too be that we give way to the football team at the end of their season and they give way to us at the end of ours. Whats so difficult to do they have always looked at our fixtures and asked for away games that weekend just as they have done for Hull Fair. And indeed as we have done with our early season fixtures.
Fact is they simply don't like AP because he's been successful since he left them and he's popular and they are doing everything they can to make it difficult for us. Recently they haven't liked the City fans wanting Adam to buy the Club and to run both teams and the Stadium. And before any City fans start talking about THEIR Stadium it should be remembered that the Stadium wouldn't be there if we hadn't signed up to play there along with City. The only reason the Government allowed the council to spend their gains from the telephone shares on the KCom was because it had to be a shared and community Stadium. However with no community organisations able to afford to use it now and all this going on you would hardly believe it!!'"
Exactly and this goes to show to even the most ardent of Allam supporters (if there's any left) just how vindictive and petty they really are since the Council stood up to them over the ownership of the KC and surrounding land which they thought was their right to have from the sale of Hull City. This all spawned the the dummy spitting from them stating they were (not might) building their own stadium at Melton. Not forgetting their ill advised attempts to railroad the FA and their own fans into a name change purely because of the word City and the council then knocking a them back on planning applications, since all that its been a long slide of negativity and pettiness on the Allams behalf. Thats without mentioning kicking out the community prjects and sporting clubs that were turfed out (pardon the pun).
The council are now faced with a real dilemma as due to the way the Allams have operated the SMC by running the stadium into so much debt its very difficult for them the council to tear up any agreement in terms of running the stdium without footing the bill left over.
The council made a fundamental error by not ensuring that the SMC was run by a totally separate entity to avoid this situation occuring and having strict performance targets in place to ensure the Stadium did not run up debt.
If anyone believes they are genuinely intent of selling Hull City and the SMC then they need their bumps feeling as I don't think they have ever had any intention of doing so until the gravy train has run completely dry.
Sad times and ones that should never have been allowed to happen after the Lloyd fiasco which was one of the main reasons for the KC so the council could ensure that there would be no repeat of either club being locked out of their grounds.
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| Quote Chris71="Chris71"Exactly and this goes to show to even the most ardent of Allam supporters (if there's any left) just how vindictive and petty they really are since the Council stood up to them over the ownership of the KC and surrounding land which they thought was their right to have from the sale of Hull City. This all spawned the the dummy spitting from them stating they were (not might) building their own stadium at Melton. Not forgetting their ill advised attempts to railroad the FA and their own fans into a name change purely because of the word City and the council then knocking a them back on planning applications, since all that its been a long slide of negativity and pettiness on the Allams behalf. Thats without mentioning kicking out the community prjects and sporting clubs that were turfed out (pardon the pun).
The council are now faced with a real dilemma as due to the way the Allams have operated the SMC by running the stadium into so much debt its very difficult for them the council to tear up any agreement in terms of running the stdium without footing the bill left over.
The council made a fundamental error by not ensuring that the SMC was run by a totally separate entity to avoid this situation occuring and having strict performance targets in place to ensure the Stadium did not run up debt.
If anyone believes they are genuinely intent of selling Hull City and the SMC then they need their bumps feeling as I don't think they have ever had any intention of doing so until the gravy train has run completely dry.
Sad times and ones that should never have been allowed to happen after the Lloyd fiasco which was one of the main reasons for the KC so the council could ensure that there would be no repeat of either club being locked out of their grounds.'"
Good summary. Councils are good for lots of things but they don't think commercially or craftily like private sector companies do. The 'share the profit if you make one' idea for example sounded great on paper...but private sector companies will use any loophole in the book to avoid sharing anything, under Pearson and then Duffen the SMC was ran to just break even under the Allams its become a debt mountain.
Also the SMC being formed by someone with a vested interest in Hull City should never have been allowed (FC were offered a share but either couldn't afford it or didn't want to at the time) it should have been handed to a specialist sports management company like how the Bonus arena is managed by SMG who are vastly experienced in concerts and events.
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| Quote Armavinit="Armavinit"The problem with that, is the Allams have somehow managed to load the SMC with millions of pounds worth of debt, the Council can’t afford to take it on. Only a buy out of City will facilitate a change in the SMC and the Shamallams well know it. This is all down to AP suggesting a move from the stadium and their way of hitting back.'"
Its loaded with debt so should be worthless yet it seems the stumbling block to selling Hull City apart from the ridiculous asking price is the SMC.Apparenty the American Buyer who had agreed a price with Allam for the club was then asked to pay 5 million for the SMC so he gave them two fingers and pulled out.
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| I think we're going to get this pathetic behaviour from these @rseholes as long as they are running the SMC , Nothing will change until either they leave or we find our own place .
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| It’s council owned and was built for two clubs. So has be fair for two clubs. Council will now have to intervene.
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Very worrying times for RL at the moment, still no new TV deal and a few clubs having stadium issues. Not what we need during a pandemic and recession.
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Very worrying times for RL at the moment, still no new TV deal and a few clubs having stadium issues. Not what we need during a pandemic and recession.
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| Quote UllFC="UllFC"Very worrying times for RL at the moment, still no new TV deal and a few clubs having stadium issues. Not what we need during a pandemic and recession.'"
Super league will definitely be part time in 5 years
The lack of ambition has finally caught up and sky know they can save money as RL has no other bidder and is begging sky for a deal so sky can offer peanuts
the fact the salary cap is similar to the one signed in 2000. Show how bad the game in this country has gotten the salary cap should be atleast 5m these days looking at inflation!
It's Best game of all but it shoots itself in the foot to much to be taken seriously by big investors
Think Pearsons threat is a pipe dream and he needs the SMC/allams to get on board. We can barely afford transfers let alone 20m minimum for a new stadium!
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| Quote UllFC="UllFC"Very worrying times for RL at the moment, still no new TV deal and a few clubs having stadium issues. Not what we need during a pandemic and recession.'"
Interesting read and sounds pretty much like our situation, especially this;
“However, we must also look at extending our tenancy at the AJ Bell stadium, safeguarding our future at our ground in the City of Salford, regardless of ownership. We appreciate the council stating their ‘reassurance for commitments for Salford Red Devils’ upon any sale.
“Our current tenancy agreement is simply unsustainable for the club and we have been seeking a new deal on terms that we can afford. CosCos have supported the club with rental payment arrangements in recent seasons, we hope that we can strike a new agreement that allows both parties a mutually sustainable level.”
This is all going to end in tears, hope it’s not mine, I’ve shed enough over the years. Just a thought, can’t the Council ask for the SMC’s books, do an appraisal for any wrong doing regards the debt mountain? Wilf and Mrs B would do free gratis, I’m sure 
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| Quote Armavinit="Armavinit"Interesting read and sounds pretty much like our situation, especially this;
“However, we must also look at extending our tenancy at the AJ Bell stadium, safeguarding our future at our ground in the City of Salford, regardless of ownership. We appreciate the council stating their ‘reassurance for commitments for Salford Red Devils’ upon any sale.
“Our current tenancy agreement is simply unsustainable for the club and we have been seeking a new deal on terms that we can afford. CosCos have supported the club with rental payment arrangements in recent seasons, we hope that we can strike a new agreement that allows both parties a mutually sustainable level.”
This is all going to end in tears, hope it’s not mine, I’ve shed enough over the years. Just a thought, can’t the Council ask for the SMC’s books, do an appraisal for any wrong doing regards the debt mountain? Wilf and Mrs B would do free gratis, I’m sure
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Its been a bad move for Salford as its located out of town and despite much better on the field form they have lost fans who can no longer just walk there. Also like us they've lost a bit of home advantage as The Willows and The Boulevard could intimidate away teams. Can't blame them for moving though as there was a big push to move/upgrade grounds during the Franchising era and they may have lost their SL place if they stayed at The Willows.
Union seem to understand nothing beats building your own home, which is clear from the vast money spent on Twickenham, Wasps taking over at the Ricoh, and now Sale trying to get the AJ Bell (they wanted to build a new ground but the Council aren't supporting that) in contrast several RL clubs have moved in with football teams and the RFL bought the crater that is Odsal...
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Expressing their strong desire for a meeting. Powerful stuff. 
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