so, blind optimism is what makes you a supporter, must have missed that bit

as for being a WUM, no idea what one is, I have a vocabulary that means I don't need internet slang terms used by kids

Is it?. Just the same as blowing the cobwebs off, a practice game. match practice, game time, Call it what you want. You where just picking the bones out of it to undermine my quote. I was at Donny and I saw the game for what it was. A practice game for the younger members of our squad.

I don't disagree, what I disagreed with was BB's assertion that "on our day we're a match for anyone", which was ludicrous based on a draw at Doncaster.

Yes but BB was still right at what he said. You only have to go back to last season in the challenge cup semi final when we beat Warrington and nobody gave us a cat in hells chance, but we overcame them. Is that not saying we can beat anyone on our day, when we all know that team on paper is better than ours?.

I bet you've been banjoed on the nose end a few times in your sad life.

Who are your props apart from Paea, Watts, Feka?

Green,Bowden and Pitts.

Surprised there's not more said about this. Some good players in the squad including Paea and Watts but that looks a major problem compared with any of the top 6.

Perhaps, but tbf Lineham showed on his debut (his start against you not the 10 minutes against Rovers) that he was already better than 80% of the wingers in Superleague, so probably not a good example.

Nothing to do with this but I've been told Ryan Wilson & Alex Starling have been sacked by the club.

If that's right, that was quick because I am sure both played against Donny.

No, I think you missed my the point. He is better than the majority of wingers in SL, but if opposing fans, who didn't know much about your younger players, looked at your squad they wouldn't consider you as having great strength in depth. As it turned out, he is a very good winger and made your squad considerably stronger.

Now moving on to this years Salford squad, and many are criticising the strength in depth that it offers. There are some good young players coming through who didn't let the team down last season, but shouldn't have been relied upon. With less responsibility placed upon them, they could easily take their performances to a higher level.

I find that very hard to believe. Both very highly rated at the Club so it would take something really serious to result in a sacking, especially in Ryan's case because it would mean potentially upsetting the Wilson clan and I cant see that being risked.

I do get your point, I just thought Lineham was a bad example to use. I remember fans of other clubs asking when he was going to get a chance ahead of Crookes after they had been impressed with him in 2011. Had you said Chris Green or Jamie Shaul then yes I agree.

It's a very valid point though. I don't know much about your youth team, so who's to say you don't have your own Tom Lineham coming through?

I only thought bobby & harry are robs lads? Oh & young George.