I understand the sentiment, but, sorry, I don't agree yesterday was the worst rugby ever. In 20 years I've been going, I've seen worse on several occasions. Every time we went to Saints we got completely steamrollered, for example. As the Rovers fans remind us, it was years after promotion before we managed to get into the play-offs. People talk on here as if the years between 1999 and 2006 were some golden era of champagne rugby. Either my memory is rubbish or theirs is, because there were long periods there where we were just making up the numbers.

People are understandably hacked off that we have gone from top 2 to poor in 3 seasons, but saying this is the worst we have ever been is an over-reaction IMO.

Depends how you quantify it. This lot have the benefit of full time training. Quality ( open to opinion) coaching. A full time wage which many on here would dream of. And the end product of this is ......................................

In the Walsh era for example not oneof us expected to be pulling up trees each week. We did not expect to be in the play offs. All we expected was pride and passion. It was a very limited squad with low expectations.

If there is any fault to be aimed at fans now is that after a Cup win, Grand Final appearence, Wembley appearence and the highest crowds we have ever had, we are expecting too much.
If we had no expectations then the crowds would be in the 8000 or less region and we would be happy with a minimum skill level. Just like in the Walsh era for example.

But the club have bigged things up. Brought in alledged quality players. Attracted big crowds on the back of this and we have all bought into it. We are now being conned.

Our formative years at the KC were a period when we played entertaining rugby football. Length of the field tries. Fast flowing rugby which entertained. A game of rugby subuteo would be more entertaining that what is being produced by HFC at the moment.

In my opinion last night's performance was a further reflection on our tactical approach to the game under Richard Agar.

Five drives. Kick. No mistakes. No penalties.

And that's it. It is both basic and negative. There's a saying in poker that you can't win if you're afraid to lose, and I think that sums up Agar's style perfectly. We're too afraid to lose to take any chances.

Injuries are a conveniant excuse to explain last night's performance, but we've played like that all season. The players are giving 100% week-in, week-out but they are playing to a flawed gameplan (when you consider our props don't go forward and our half back can't kick) and a coach that doesn't appear to be willing, or able, to adapt his tactics to the players at his disposal.

The other major issue I have is with the balance of the squad. We are desperately weak at scrum half and prop forward. And we probably need a long term right centre. The one position we are well covered in is the second row. Fitzgibbon is undoubtadly an excellent player but I hope he has been brought in as part of a long term plan to rebalance the squad, rather than out of a misguided need to sign a marquee player whatever the position.

Most people rightly argue that we need a top class scrum half to progress as a club. And I agree. But to me signing one, if not two, top class prop forwards HAS to be our priority. Carvell and Morley were in a different league to our prop forwards last night.

Overall the Warrington game was no more or less disappointing to me than the Wakefield game. Or the Hull KR game. Or the Castleford game. Or any game we have played this season. They've all been the same. Some we'll hang on and win, some we'll lose, probably narrowly. And we'll continue hurtling towards a mid-table finish.

In my opinion that is not good enough for a club that should be aiming high.

Please forward to James/Kaff/Richard/Jon.

I think you missed the point a bit.

We always got smashed AWAY AT Saints & Wigan and the like (like you stated).

Pmarrow said it was a waste of £20 FOR A HOME GAME.

I am disgusted with our attitude at home, fortress KC my @r$e. What a waste of £23 a seat!

And expect a price rise next year, i'm sure!

No, we'll lose narrowly and pretend we have a competetive set up.

Be disgusted at our gameplan and lack of quality on the pitch if you like. You can't say the effort and attitude was "disgusting" last night. Well, you can, and you did, but I don't agree it. For example, are you really saying that Thackray, King, Cusack, Houghton, Calderwood, Horne, Whiting had a "disgusting attitude" yesterday?

From the off Thacks looked good, he ran hard and wanted to to be that rip ass forward we have missed. Fair play to him.

But have we really looked like a "home" team all season? No

Might as well play every game on neutral venue, it'd cost less to start with.

This is Warrington's situation this season. Five years of 'move to the HJ' optimism finally ran out at the end of 2008. It explains why our away following has been so poor this year - the fans have had enough 'false dawns' and even with Tony Smith in charge ( the first coach to come to Warrington since the 1970s having previously won a major title elsewhere beforehand ) the fans are finally taking a 'believe it when I see it' attitude. You guys will probably have to go through the same thing.

BTW, sound simple to say we need a top class 7 and a top-class new coach - its a lot harder to actually find either.

Agreed. There's nothing wrong with the effort from the players or their attitude. I think that has been first class.

As mentioned in my previous post, the problem is with the limited and negative gameplan employed by the coach and with the balance of the squad.

We have played the same way all season regardless of our injury situation.

Our weakest positions are prop forward and half back in my opinion. Yet we continue to employ a safety first, five drives and a kick strategy. Yes, a strategy that relies chiefly on strong go forward props and a good kicking game from half back.

We are effectively playing to our weaknesses. It's crazy.

I echo that. I'm fed up of watching the same old, predictable boring rugby. The enthusiasm has gone.

Not at all, it is the worst Rugby we play. We can't even do the basics right, we play one man rugby with a pack making no ground or not even an offload. We have backs that can't string a move together, if Wire had not being down to 12 men we probably wouldn't have scored a try all game.

I'm sorry but this is by the far the most boring, dull and worst kind of Rugby I have seen from any FC side.