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Quote: Sebasteeno "How in any way could it be worrying to either us or the council.? I hope it all does go nuclear with the Allams as in the end it could mean only one thing Allam can make it financially impossible for us to stay at the KC. There's enough wriggle-room in the lease agreement for him to do this. We have the right to play there and that's about it.

You'll have noticed that he's about to launch a £500,000 claim against the council. That may not sound like much but it's an indication of the way this is going right now.

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Quote: Kosh "I was using a different source and the numbers were 13,731 and 12,402 respectively.'"


Your 12,402 is out. after a quick calc it's 11,884

12710
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Copy of the e-mail I have received from Alan Johnson

Thank you for contacting me about the situation at the KC Stadium

All I've seen on this is the report in the Hull Daily Mail on Monday 11th February. I've not been notified of this either by the Stadium Management Company or by any of the clubs that use the KC Stadium.

I'm therefore trying to get to the bottom of this and to find a solution.

Hull FC fans are bound to feel that this is a slight against their club, particularly given Johnny Whiteley's status in the city and the fact that his photographs have been removed from the Johnny Whiteley Suite.

I'll contact you again when I've made progress in my investigation and representations on this issue.

Many thanks for alerting me to this.

Yours sincerely

Alan Johnson MP

Let's hope he can at least go some way to getting a resolution.

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Quote: Kosh "Some disturbing rumours circulating on Twitter. Hope they're wrong. If true, looks like Allam has declared all-out war on FC and the Council. Not sure where this will go TBH.

Worrying.'"


If so, then it proves without shadow of doubt, what his true aims and objectives are. It isn’t for the good of the local community, thats for sure.

When the mask comes off, and it becomes open public knowledge, I would think that the ones who should really be worried are City and KR.

It does make you wonder if, getting rid of Person and Barmby was part of this whole takeover plan. They would have been a hindrance.

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Manu on. Bye for now

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Quote: Kosh "Allam can make it financially impossible for us to stay at the KC. There's enough wriggle-room in the lease agreement for him to do this. We have the right to play there and that's about it.

You'll have noticed that he's about to launch a £500,000 claim against the council. That may not sound like much but it's an indication of the way this is going right now.'"

Fine let him do it. We'll play at Blundell Park or Craven Park or whatever, i dont care. And come 2017 we'll be back. We can cope if we stay together

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Best Solution To P!ss Allems Off..

Adam Pearson Want's Back Into Football And Is With A Group Rumoured To Buy Leeds United.

If Possible, Could Pearson Get These Individuals To Buy The SMC From The Council And Then Make A Play For Hull City. That Way We Can Say It's Our Stadium And Do One Allem's For Good.

Plus Then That Will Shut City Up Also

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Hmm so Allam is coming out and saying stuff in the press regarding Hull Fc and the Council.

Surely this must be in breach of the confidentiality clauses written into the lease agreement and also the contract for them to run the SMC ??

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Quote: jacko1 "Hmm so Allam is coming out and saying stuff in the press regarding Hull Fc and the Council.

Surely this must be in breach of the confidentiality clauses written into the lease agreement and also the contract for them to run the SMC ??'"

Good point, well made.

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I feel sorry for City, not KR. Does anybody think Hudge and Crossland couldn't just give him the £1m back if it got that bad? After all, it is just a couple of seasons to them!

But City, well they're stuck with him.

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Quote: Kosh "Allam can make it financially impossible for us to stay at the KC. There's enough wriggle-room in the lease agreement for him to do this. We have the right to play there and that's about it.

You'll have noticed that he's about to launch a £500,000 claim against the council. That may not sound like much but it's an indication of the way this is going right now.'"


I have checked that one out and as far as I understand it the shop and the offices are in the original lease and protected as our right to play there is.

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Quote: jacko1 "Hmm so Allam is coming out and saying stuff in the press regarding Hull Fc and the Council.

Surely this must be in breach of the confidentiality clauses written into the lease agreement and also the contract for them to run the SMC ??'"


That thought had also occurred to me ([iwhilst I were on the toilet[/i)

Didn't they send their City stooge to comment on RH ‘Nick’ nick?

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I've probably missed it, but what is the relationship between the Council and SMC?

Is the SMC in place to run the stadium for the council, like a letting agent? Or is there more to it? Seems odd that the council aren't slapping the SMC down for not managing the stadium fairly, or generating serious income. Why no concerts? Why no big events?

I am perplexed tbh.

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Is this all because he need the cash back that he used to buy city the only hope of doing this getting the stadium. And morgidge it get his money and Isis why this all out attack is happening after all times are hard

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Quote: Chris28 "I've probably missed it, but what is the relationship between the Council and SMC?

Is the SMC in place to run the stadium for the council, like a letting agent? Or is there more to it? Seems odd that the council aren't slapping the SMC down for not managing the stadium fairly, or generating serious income. Why no concerts? Why no big events?

I am perplexed tbh.'"


This sort of explains it:

Footballer earns as much in week as Hull council has got for stadium

Published Date: 15 October 2010
By Rob Waugh

ONE Hull City footballer is paid as much in one week as the local council has received in eight years' lease payments after spending £46m to build the club's new stadium.
And the stark reality for Hull Council is that the deal it signed up to, after handing over the keys to the KC stadium runs for 50 years and is legally watertight.

Anxious to avoid any responsibility for running costs, the council handed control to a private company when the stadium opened in 2002 and agreed to a return based only on a small proportion of any profits made.

The results of the agreement were previously held in private council papers but can now be revealed after the Yorkshire Post obtained a number of internal documents, some provided under the Freedom of Information Act.

A copy of the lease agreed with the Superstadium Management Company (SMC) shows the council receiving a return of 5 per cent of net profits up to £1m, 7.5 per cent up to £1.5m and 10 per cent above £1.5m.

But with profit levels continually low or even non-existent, the total paid in the eight years since the stadium opened is £46,996.20.

Over the same time, Hull City's attendances and fortunes have soared, including promotion to the Premier League in 2008, and Hull FC rugby team have become one of Super League's best-supported clubs.

Returns to the council under the lease have, however, fallen. In the year of City's promotion, the lease delivered just £709 and a season of bumper crowds in the Premier League the following year only brought in £1,038.

The council could have opted to receive a straight rental payment from the teams using the stadium or one based on attendances. A briefing note prepared for the council's scrutiny committee says the closest comparable development is Manchester City's stadium, under which the council there agreed a deal based on gate receipts.

A council spokeswoman said, however, the relatively low status of Hull City and Hull FC nine years ago meant a guaranteed rental based on crowd figures was not considered viable at the time the lease was negotiated.

Terms were agreed by the council's stadium project special sub-committee in 2001 when the authority was Labour-run.

The SMC has been owned by the owners of Hull City throughout. Concern about returns under the lease have prompted councillors on the scrutiny committee to ask officers to examine the accounts and the lease.

But its members were told the deal is watertight and can only be altered by agreement. A briefing note earlier this year reveals the council has been discussing the possibility of developing land nearby which would open up a chance to increase returns.

The negligible return on a £46m asset is questionable enough but the council also agreed to pay the SMC a set annual rent of £72,500 to use office space at the stadium.

A council spokeswoman said it was considered a market rent at the time and the authority does have a break clause in 2012 which it is considering using to terminate the agreement.

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