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Quote: bonaire "didnt close it quick enough then let all the arrivals from India mix with other Heathrow arrivals until someone pointed it out and they opened a seperate terminal to keep them apart a couple of weeks later but that was too late.
Government has a lot to answer for this but seem to have dodged the bullet'"


India was put on the Red list before the Delta strain was identified as a VOC. Most of the travel in was by British citizens returning home, which you can't stop. What happened after they arrived home is the relevant point, and let's just say, It's possible the rules weren't followed by everyone, and leave it at that.

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There are still 35,000 Aussies waiting to get home after 16 months !!

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Quote: Large Paws "India was put on the Red list before the Delta strain was identified as a VOC. Most of the travel in was by British citizens returning home, which you can't stop. What happened after they arrived home is the relevant point, and let's just say, It's possible the rules weren't followed by everyone, and leave it at that.'"


No, lets not leave at that.

India was added to the red list on 23rd April, but Pakistan and Bangladesh had been on it since 9th April. Bangladesh had the South Africa but not the Brazil variant and Pakistan had neither, India had both. It doesn't matter whether it was UK citizens returning or foreign nationals viisting, they should have had to isolate. The UK government are to blame. They put getting a trade deal with India ahead of public health,

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The whole pandemic has been mis-managed by a Government that have put trade deals and awarding massive contracts to their friends above the health and well being of its residents. How people can still support this Government who's MP's have broken the very rules they are asking the public to abide by, and when they have breached them, not being held account for it to the same standards as it's residents, is beyond me.

People can say that nobody has gone through this before, didn't know what to do etc. is rubbish. In times like this, it takes leadership and decisiveness. Every decision has been 3-4 weeks late. It's been a sh*t show

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Quote: UllFC "There isn't really another option, staying locked down forever just leads to the country going bust and then how do we pay for the Healthcare then?

Its also harder to keep people locked down as time goes on, its human nature to interact. Id rather risk dying of Covid than spend the rest of my life sat inside bored.'"


There is decision to be made but one thing I’d like to pick you up on a country with its own currency and bank cannot go bust. Government money is just money in circulation. Too much can lead to inflation and that’s what taxes are for, too take money out of circulation. Governments deal in bonds and money over decades. For example in 1833 Britain used £20 million, 40% of its national budget, to compensate slave owners following the Slavery Abolition Act, it made slave owners very rich and was finally paid off in 2015. No one argued at the time that the country couldn’t afford it at the time. People used to know how governments budgets worked but under the Tories they persuaded people that governments money is limited and can go bust like individuals

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Quote: Irregs#16 "The whole pandemic has been mis-managed by a Government that have put trade deals and awarding massive contracts to their friends above the health and well being of its residents. How people can still support this Government who's MP's have broken the very rules they are asking the public to abide by, and when they have breached them, not being held account for it to the same standards as it's residents, is beyond me.

People can say that nobody has gone through this before, didn't know what to do etc. is rubbish. In times like this, it takes leadership and decisiveness. Every decision has been 3-4 weeks late. It's been a sh*t show'"


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Maybe so but due this governments world beating incompetence tens of thousands of people have needlessly died before they had a chance to be vaccinated.

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Yup, the previous Conservative austerity programme has been shown up to be what it was.
Total b0llox.

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Quote: Irregs#16 "The whole pandemic has been mis-managed by a Government that have put trade deals and awarding massive contracts to their friends above the health and well being of its residents. How people can still support this Government who's MP's have broken the very rules they are asking the public to abide by, and when they have breached them, not being held account for it to the same standards as it's residents, is beyond me.

People can say that nobody has gone through this before, didn't know what to do etc. is rubbish. In times like this, it takes leadership and decisiveness. Every decision has been 3-4 weeks late. It's been a sh*t show'"


Don't get me wrong mistakes have been made during the pandemic but we can all find fault with hindsight, but which country hasn't made any mistakes?

As much as the current government have things to answer for, who would you actually replace it with? Could you see any other party or politicians doing any better from the current pool of self serving MP's of any party? I can't and can't see having the likes of Starmer, Raynor, Dodds or Davy, Cooper, Farron etc would have been any better.
They are all guilty as in times like this pandemic all MP's no matter what party should have united for the good of the country and the people they serve and put all political differences aside. Sadly they didn't, they all used it as an opportunity for political point scoring instead of working on the job in hand.

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Quote: Chris71 "Don't get me wrong mistakes have been made during the pandemic but we can all find fault with hindsight, but which country hasn't made any mistakes?

As much as the current government have things to answer for, who would you actually replace it with? Could you see any other party or politicians doing any better from the current pool of self serving MP's of any party?
They are all guilty as in times like this pandemic all MP's no matter what party should have united for the good of the country and the people they serve and put all political differences aside. Sadly they didn't, they all used it as an opportunity for political point scoring instead of working on the job in hand.'"


Don't get me wrong, the Corbyn led Labour party probably would have been just as bad - but they wouldn't have put out huge contracts to friends, instead of out to tender. It isn't just with hindsight we can make these comments, at the time that cases were rising in India, people were emploring the government to red list India, but it didn't happen, and the people arriving were not even told to isolate. Lo and behold, the Indian variant rampages through the UK. The fact that Johnson didn't even attend Cobra meetings at the start of the pandemic just shows how little threat he saw it having, and he has been on the back foot ever since

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Quote: Chris71 "Don't get me wrong mistakes have been made during the pandemic but we can all find fault with hindsight, but which country hasn't made any mistakes?

As much as the current government have things to answer for, who would you actually replace it with? Could you see any other party or politicians doing any better from the current pool of self serving MP's of any party? I can't and can't see having the likes of Starmer, Raynor, Dodds or Davy, Cooper, Farron etc would have been any better.
They are all guilty as in times like this pandemic all MP's no matter what party should have united for the good of the country and the people they serve and put all political differences aside. Sadly they didn't, they all used it as an opportunity for political point scoring instead of working on the job in hand.'"


“ we can all find fault with hindsight, but which country hasn't made any mistakes”? New Zealand, Thailand, Andorra, Barbados, Bosnia, Iceland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia. Most of the Asia Pacific countries did better than us, as the had experience of SARS and took Covid-19 very seriously from the off. Whereas we’ve been very slow to respond, too late into lockdowns and too quick out of them. The Tories have prioritised the economy but it’s cost us more in the long run. In 2016 the government had a dummy run to see how we’d fare in a pandemic of various kinds. It showed we were unprepared, like of hospital places, lack of PPE. So the government were warned unfortunately for us the Tories ignored it as it did not fit their ideology of austerity and welfare. Any alternative political party would have done better for the country and its populace other than the Tories as their ideology is different.

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Quote: Chris71 "Don't get me wrong mistakes have been made during the pandemic but we can all find fault with hindsight, but which country hasn't made any mistakes?

As much as the current government have things to answer for, who would you actually replace it with? Could you see any other party or politicians doing any better from the current pool of self serving MP's of any party? I can't and can't see having the likes of Starmer, Raynor, Dodds or Davy, Cooper, Farron etc would have been any better.
They are all guilty as in times like this pandemic all MP's no matter what party should have united for the good of the country and the people they serve and put all political differences aside. Sadly they didn't, they all used it as an opportunity for political point scoring instead of working on the job in hand.'"


“ we can all find fault with hindsight, but which country hasn't made any mistakes”? New Zealand, Thailand, Andorra, Barbados, Bosnia, Iceland, Singapore, Hong Kong, Australia. Most of the Asia Pacific countries did better than us, as the had experience of SARS and took Covid-19 very seriously from the off. Whereas we’ve been very slow to respond, too late into lockdowns and too quick out of them. The Tories have prioritised the economy but it’s cost us more in the long run. In 2016 the government had a dummy run to see how we’d fare in a pandemic of various kinds. It showed we were unprepared, like of hospital places, lack of PPE. So the government were warned unfortunately for us the Tories ignored it as it did not fit their ideology of austerity and welfare. Any alternative political party would have done better for the country and its populace other than the Tories as their ideology is different.

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Quote: UllFC "In my opinion SL is going to have to change it policy very soon to one where if a player has been jabbed and tests positive he can still play provided he has no symptoms and is happy to do so, on the basis that transmission is much lower with a jab. In a normal season players will take to the field with coughs, colds, aftermath of dodgy kebabs
Transmission had nothing to do if you have a jab or not. Inoculations ensures the recipient does not get the disease or has a lower reaction to it.

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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "No, lets not leave at that.

India was added to the red list on 23rd April, but Pakistan and Bangladesh had been on it since 9th April. Bangladesh had the South Africa but not the Brazil variant and Pakistan had neither, India had both. It doesn't matter whether it was UK citizens returning or foreign nationals viisting, they should have had to isolate. The UK government are to blame. They put getting a trade deal with India ahead of public health,'"

I’ll repeat. If people don’t follow the rules, and I’ll bet most people know someone who hasn’t, then given the resources available to ‘Police’ them. It is inevitable that a virus can,and will, spread amongst ‘communities’ pretty damn quickly.
However as someone else has said. Thankfully, serious illness and deaths do not appear to be following the same trajectory.

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Quote: Large Paws "I’ll repeat. If people don’t follow the rules, and I’ll bet most people know someone who hasn’t, then given the resources available to ‘Police’ them. It is inevitable that a virus can,and will, spread amongst ‘communities’ pretty damn quickly.
However as someone else has said. Thankfully, serious illness and deaths do not appear to be following the same trajectory.'"


I know someone who didn't follow the rules, in fact he made the rules. His name is Matt Hancock.

One rule for him one rule for everybody else it seems.

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Quote: Plum Bob "Transmission had nothing to do if you have a jab or not. Inoculations ensures the recipient does not get the disease or has a lower reaction to it.'"


Not true. Its not fool proof and you can of course still catch it after being jabbed, but evidence does suggest that its pretty effective at reducing transmission.

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