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We've had 8 seasons of broken promises and utter tripe served up so for me I will wait until the end of the season to judge.

Yes the signs are very promising from the opening two fixtures but lets not get carried away peeps, we have been here so many times before.

Credit to AP for funding the club, Motu for the recruitment & Radford for the performances so far but it is still far to early to be getting the bunting out.

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Those missed tackle stats as Wilde points out are pretty worrying, especially when you look at it as a % of tackles made.

I suppose it doesn't matter when you're dominating teams like we have done, but as said it could get exploited by the top sides.

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Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?:



I think it's a bit too early to be worrying about missed tackle stats. We are one of a group of 6 in the 50's.

Leeds have missed fewer tackles than us, but have the worst defensive record in the league.

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Gordon Bennett, a major upturn this last two games and still fans are having twitchy bums. I think the difference between now and the recent past is the team spirit seems high, as is the will to win. Barring injuries I reckon the team will improve immensely when they get to know each others play better. Having seen as many false dawns as everybody on here I truly believe we are going to be a force this season. Have faith.

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Quote: ccs "I think it's a bit too early to be worrying about missed tackle stats. We are one of a group of 6 in the 50's.

Leeds have missed fewer tackles than us, but have the worst defensive record in the league.'"


True, it's very early. As you say, a few teams have over 50 already, but we've made nearly 150 tackles less than the next side, so as a % it's pretty high. As high as our poor relations at 13% (Wire are at 4%). Something for the coaching staff to look into anyway, but not something to be overly worried about really, I just like stats icon_biggrin.gif

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eastul105 wrote lets be fair Mickey Paea is too good for us.:



Why do some people find it hard to enjoy the current positiveness at the club?
During the last 2 seasons people have been justifiably critical of our attack close to the opponents line,some even suggesting that winning some close games was due to LUCKILY having a decent defense.
Now albeit for the last 3 matches we are scoring all types of tries with great attacking shape and variation yet some still need to point out our tackling inadequacies.
I'm coming to the conclusion even 40-0 victories with no errors would not be enough to satisfy some.

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Quote: Sebasteeno "Two games in and after two good performances after many bad seasons and the happy clappers are out in force with their told you sos which is fairly laughable tbh. Being an FC fan should of at least taught you not to EVER get carried away. As quick as things seem to be turning good they can equally turn bad. Radford and Pearson have done lots wrong over the last two years and beyond and two comfortable wins does not make up for that in any way. Lets see where we are at the end of the season before we all start lauding them both i reckon'"



Happy clappers? If the club antagonists are bringing that line up that can only be more evidence of a cracking start by the lads.

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Quote: dayvoz "Why do some people find it hard to enjoy the current positiveness at the club?
During the last 2 seasons people have been justifiably critical of our attack close to the opponents line,some even suggesting that winning some close games was due to LUCKILY having a decent defense.
Now albeit for the last 3 matches we are scoring all types of tries with great attacking shape and variation yet some still need to point out our tackling inadequacies.
I'm coming to the conclusion even 40-0 victories with no errors would not be enough to satisfy some.'"


icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif I'm more than satisfied with the last two games, I imagine everyone is, just discussing something Wilde brought up regarding one of the facets of our game. Relax. chillpill.gif

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Quote: dayvoz "Why do some people find it hard to enjoy the current positiveness at the club?
During the last 2 seasons people have been justifiably critical of our attack close to the opponents line,some even suggesting that winning some close games was due to LUCKILY having a decent defense.
Now albeit for the last 3 matches we are scoring all types of tries with great attacking shape and variation yet some still need to point out our tackling inadequacies.
I'm coming to the conclusion even 40-0 victories with no errors would not be enough to satisfy some.'"


Don't think anyone from what I've read is unhappy with the start so this season they are all myself included being realistic. We have seen the best rugby we've seen for over 8 seasons but in those seasons we've had times when we thought we'd turned the corner then have flattered to deceive.

I am cautiously optimistic and in all fairness have not seen anything from other teams to have us unduly worried., but as I said in my original post we have not won anything yet and are only 2 games in. I would love nothing more than to see our great club achieve a trophy this season but just don't want to get myself too carried away after 2 league games.

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Quote: Chris71 "Don't think anyone from what I've read is unhappy with the start so this season they are all myself included being realistic. We have seen the best rugby we've seen for over 8 seasons but in those seasons we've had times when we thought we'd turned the corner then have flattered to deceive.

I am cautiously optimistic and in all fairness have not seen anything from other teams to have us unduly worried., but as I said in my original post we have not won anything yet and are only 2 games in. I would love nothing more than to see our great club achieve a trophy this season but just don't want to get myself too carried away after 2 league games.'"


This is exactly how I see it. I get called pessimistic by my lad, but at 20 years old he's not had to endure the years of hope and heartbreak I have! Yes, we are looking much better than in recent years and for once I am excited for the next game, not dreading it. However, we have thought we've turned a corner many times over the last few years so I will reassess come Easter when we have hopefully strung together a few more wins and tightened up the defence issues we have all seen.

After all, Wakey won their first 2 games last season icon_wink.gif

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Does this mean Radford has stopped hiding behind that big gap in his tooth?

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Quote: Staffs FC "Happy clappers? If the club antagonists are bringing that line up that can only be more evidence of a cracking start by the lads.'"


I think he was just being more realistic then anything.

I think after just 2 games it was a pointless thread to start gushing praise on Radford but understandable after seeing who the Op was.

Radford has made many errors over the last 2 seasons I'm not going to go over old ground as for me this season represents a fresh start but the lowest crowd averages for a while and low pass sales tell their own story and maybe a better more astute coach would have got more out of the previous squads, who knows what's done is done.

After 2 cracking wins I'm happy and am actually looking forward to our next game, a feeling I've not had for a while.

Are our improved performances down to coaching alone? The quality of player we now have implenting their own style and influence in games? or both with them now being able to execute the tactics implemented? again who knows, too early to say for certain but it's pleasing to see and very enjoyable.

I just think realistically we need more patience, play a few more games especially against the bigger teams, see how we cope with injuries and where we are in the league in a month or so before we start hailing Radford a tactical genius.

And there is no need for this happy clapper/antagonist cr@p to come out again it's so boring.

It's a new season, a fresh start let's just all support the team and enjoy what we have so far without pronouncing the new messiah just yet or disparaging negativity from both sides.

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Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?:



Quote: Bombed Out "I think after just 2 games it was a pointless thread to start gushing praise on Radford but understandable after seeing who the Op was.'"
Did you actually read the first post?

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Quote: Bombed Out "I think he was just being more realistic then anything.

I think after just 2 games it was a pointless thread to start gushing praise on Radford but understandable after seeing who the Op was.

Radford has made many errors over the last 2 seasons I'm not going to go over old ground as for me this season represents a fresh start but the lowest crowd averages for a while and low pass sales tell their own story and maybe a better more astute coach would have got more out of the previous squads, who knows what's done is done.

After 2 cracking wins I'm happy and am actually looking forward to our next game, a feeling I've not had for a while.

Are our improved performances down to coaching alone? The quality of player we now have implenting their own style and influence in games? or both with them now being able to execute the tactics implemented? again who knows, too early to say for certain but it's pleasing to see and very enjoyable.

I just think realistically we need more patience, play a few more games especially against the bigger teams, see how we cope with injuries and where we are in the league in a month or so before we start hailing Radford a tactical genius.

And there is no need for this happy clapper/antagonist cr@p to come out again it's so boring.

It's a new season, a fresh start let's just all support the team and enjoy what we have so far without pronouncing the new messiah just yet or disparaging negativity from both sides.'"


So it's wrong to call someone a happy clapper but OK to accuse someone of gushing praise?

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Quote: ComeOnYouUll "So it's wrong to call someone a happy clapper but OK to accuse someone of gushing praise?'"


You do realise this is RL fans where that makes complete sense?

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