I think that sums things up very well Paul.

I would add I think the balance of the team is wrong too much investment in forwards, half backs injury prone and the backs are far too slow and or inexperienced. Alright but too many of our forwards give to many penalties away or throw away poccesion in vital area's.

The writing is now on the toilet wall for all to see just like it was the last two seasons, it depends now on who's nerve gives first.

have to agree

it is very strange how it is now our home form that is strong, and we can't play well on the road...which the opposite of the last 2 years.

of our performances this year I'd say that

Saints: undoubtedly good performance
Hudds: good hard performance against a team I feel will be right up there this year
Crusaders: shocker
Quins: Quins look Championship quality this year, easy win
Castleford: ok win, but I don't think Cas will make the 8 this year
Wigan: completely outclassed
Bradford: poor 1st half, recovered in the 2nd, but Bradford were more dull and lifeless than we are
Salford: Dire

the downward trend started in round 3. And because of having 2 games next weekend, we could be out of the 8 and out of the cup in just a few weeks time if we don't watch it.

I'll excuse them slightly for that, as due to the salary cap and lack of quality players noone has a 'perfect' squad, even Leeds are struggling with a few injuries this year.

we needed a better pack so that is where the investment went. Long was also the only halfback of any quality available (Orford is only here for silly money)

the backs are undoubtedly weak, but there wasn't much they could do this winter with the cap.

Totally agree Paul. I also think that we are quite predictable in our set plays. All too often you can see the dummy runner and know that its into the second line of attack. Tonight, two tries came from kicks that were unpredictable to opponents (Long and Yeaman). We need that ruthless streak to put a side to the sword and then be arrogant enough to rub their noses in it. This is something Huddersfield do very well.

You have nailed it right there Paul. I have kept patience with Agar until now, but, with the squad of players he has at his disposal, I would expect to see a distinct improvement in on field performance. He may be a fine coach, but as a head coach he just can't cut it. Like most fans, I can handle my team losing if the effort & application is there. Tonight was woeful.

and to add Huddersfield have a bunch of players who noone else really wanted, such as Brown and Robinson, who have really upped their game since Brown arrived

Crabtree has developed from average to international also.

Wigan meanwhile have become much fitter, and whilst aren't the best side to watch, are playing a very modern, arm-wrestle type of rugby which plays to the refereeing/rules and they are reaping the rewards.

Home - decent. Away - ordinary.

All the rest is over analysis.

Final position 7th or 8th. Better if Long & Fitzgibbon stay healthy, worse if they don't.

Simple.

TBH I am actually more dejected tonight than I've been over the last couple of years. We cleared out the deadwood from the squad and recruited well but the one area that needed improving more than any other has been left as was'. As a result we are going to reap what we have sowed. My biggest fear is that the board will not act soon enough and will wait until this season has become a complete wash out like the previous two. We deserve better.

Thats the big thing for me as i cant think of a single player who has improved whilst Agar has been in charge. You have Brown taking a player from NL in Lunt and turning him into a possible England bolter at the end of the year. Kevin Brown looks a totally different type of player as does Crabtree. For Wigan you have Roberts, Coley and O'Loughlin all of whom look totally rejuvenated under McGuire.

i think we were out enthused tonight and were guilty of going through the motions expecting to win against a salford side with a poor record so far this year. this doesnt mean we should call for the coach to be sacked just yet. yes we should have performed better in the second half after agars half-time inspiration but i will wait for the derby reaction before losing all hope.

you always feel a bit down straight after a defeat, especially 2 points we're expected to bag.

Brown did the same ,with Scott Moore last year.

Also Maguire, has transformed Joel Tomkins, and Fielden looks back to his best.

if this was Agar's first season we'd feel down about a defeat, but not calling for his head...but were into year 3 of this rubbish and enough is a enough.

And what about the performances against Crusaders and Wigan.

If this was an isolated incident you'd have a point, but as Smiggs points out we did exactly the same against Crusaders and Wigan. That's a rather disturbing trend to say the least.

its a tough league. im not expecting miracles from a side that has played poorly for the last two seasons. agar isnt an nrl miracle worker.